March 21, 2021

Video Game Consoles: Hands Off My Joystick


Date: 21st March 2021

Name of show: A Midlife Less Ordinary

Episode title and number: Season 1 Episode 11

Video Games Consoles: Hands Off  My Joystick

Brief summary of show:

After last week’s delve into the world or arcade based games, Wayne & Trev switch their attention to the “at-home” version that is the world of video game consoles. From the Atari 2600 in the late 1970’s to the ultra-high definition gaming we enjoy today, you are sure to find yourself being taken back to a more carefree time of your life where you rushed home from school or work to finish that game you had stayed up until all hours playing the night before.

 

Bullet points of key topics & time stamps:

Trev: 1:12 

I think sometimes that takes you away from the gameplay. They tried to make stuff. So epic it can I've done me wrong. I love playing those kinds of games. Because you can really immerse yourself into them. Because yes, I'm not as good as I used to be. So I don't play online anymore because I just get beaten to a pulp by some kid in Brazil, who's about nine.

Wayne: 15:28 

But can I make a plea to everyone don't please don't invest. When we know you got enjoying playing your games, please don't invest in one of these digital only once versions. Because really, what that's doing away with what they want us to do is basically stop being able to trade in our games, because then you'll buy the game once no stuck with it, you're gonna just have to delete it. You can't use that to invest in a different game. So I'm waiting for the dispersion. Yeah, exactly. And that's the way you can tell that's where they want us to go with it. Because then they've got it. They can't sell anything. So you can be buying more games?


 
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Transcript
intro:

You're listening to a mid life less ordinary, the weekly podcast giving you the lowdown on becoming a cool older dude. The good times are not afraid of memory. It's time to start loving them again. And here are your hosts Wayne and trout Yeah, hello

Wayne:

and welcome back to a mid life less ordinary. And I'm back here with Trev Are you ready for this?

Trev:

I'm game boy if you are

Wayne:

and the reason I'm saying that is because this episode is called hands off my joystick now that sounds a bit risky doesn't it?

Trev:

But does it does but you're the reference is true, because who has joysticks anymore?

Wayne:

This is true is control pads. Isn't it more now

Trev:

gamepad now not joysticks? Yeah,

Wayne:

exactly. So as you can tell, this episode is all about console gaming. What games you should be playing when you're in your kind of mid life. I mean, a lot of them are aimed at which ones are good. Yeah. Which ones are good? Which ones are worth playing? A bit of the history

Trev:

of games. You can't No no. Yeah, exactly. Games.

Wayne:

You're actually playing a kind of movie now on you in most of these games. Yeah, I

Trev:

think sometimes that takes you away from the gameplay. They tried to make stuff. So epic it can I've done me wrong. I love playing those kinds of games. Because you can really immerse yourself into them. Because yes, I'm not as good as I used to be. So I don't play online anymore because I just get beaten to a pulp by some kid in Brazil, who's about nine.

Wayne:

He's your pen friend.

Unknown:

Exactly. And to be honest, it's not being clever with your headphones on and you might slagging kids down halfway. Because you're no good. You're just not anymore. So you

Wayne:

shouldn't be taking it out on these kids. We were like the OAP Call of Duty boys when we were making Yeah, exactly.

Trev:

We were

Wayne:

Dads Army

Trev:

was really good fun. But honestly, some of the things that we used to say to some of the kids on there

Wayne:

just to do his reactions, mostly

Trev:

his patients and and he's getting the time to play them. exactly know when you when you're a kid, you could spend eight hours in your bedroom. Your skills playing Call of Duty and stuff.

Wayne:

Certainly. When you're an adult,

Trev:

you have other responsibilities. Oh, yeah.

Wayne:

Yeah, some people. That's their only kind of hobby, isn't it? And

Trev:

vice kind of thing

Wayne:

you know, the funny thing about console gaming. And what he's done for us is that console gaming evokes memories of sort of children really, but a gaming because we're kind of been brought up with it. There's a plenty of people our age, who still love gaming, there's

Trev:

no Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The funny thing is, when we were kids, and you had your sort of Atari, your Intellivision that was so lost in the past. intellivision. Did you remember them? Yeah. Well, I had one to be I'm actually using. Yeah, I was a spoiled little brat. I think I thought she had if we go and console went up to a certain stage, might the Intellivision peds if anybody could get a picture one and send it in on our little blue button with the most awful page you could ever play a video game with ever? They were just terrible. They love our phones. Our phones? Yeah, yeah, they didn't they were wired. So you had these kind of phone wire? Like when this was coil? Yeah, they were awful. My absolutely terrible. So that the spirits that games are pretty bad on there as well.

Wayne:

Yeah, but this is the remember this is I mean, there's a bit of just a bit of a spoiler for later, the test trev. Obviously, this kind of subject comes up in that. So I don't want to touch on it. Because I'll give you the answers beforehand. And that

Trev:

you talking about adult gaming. The funny thing is the only time an adult would ever come near a gaming console. Back in the day was if your dad come in or your monitor your dinner's ready. Or you say go never got this, and they go oh, I'll have a go of it and then hold it upside down

Wayne:

or something. Come on.

Trev:

And then that was it. That was that was adult gaming me? Yeah. Now. completely different. Yeah, absolutely different is such a weird turnaround. That

Wayne:

is, I mean, the market is so vast because it's aimed at anyone from the age of five to 85. Now, the market for video gaming, home console gaming is hundreds of billions of dollars or pounds.

Trev:

But you've only got a look at a company like Activision. Yeah, yeah. Do you think the biggest thing about that was online gaming. Do you think that changed the whole thing?

Wayne:

Yes. Yeah,

Trev:

we're lucky because obviously we got involved in that stop people being social.

Wayne:

I think a lot of the time

Trev:

indeed Yeah, did not people were just finding friends. Online, they play video games. Yeah. You know, they were claiming they were their friends. They never met these people every night but I suppose it's no different than being a fellow in the pub. Is it really

Wayne:

not not really it's just a shame that some of them social skills hopefully they don't disappear completely that you know the actual act of meeting. But you're right I mean, especially during the times we've had recently the lockdown it's been a godsend to be able to have a technology, isn't it?

Trev:

But the only way when we were kids you played a video game with his friend was if they were sitting on the couch with you. Yeah, you and you are lucky enough to have two two joysticks. That's right. Yeah. They come with the funny thing is as well back then, though, if you bought a console, everything came with it that you didn't.

Wayne:

Yes. Yeah, you did everything. Yeah.

Trev:

Once you bought the package, you virtually had everything you needed. Now you get the least you could get with it. And then you have to borrow the extra shot. I think that's a major con. Yeah.

Wayne:

It's a bit like everything has now gone to a subscription model rather than just buying the software or something. Yeah. If they want to keep getting money out of you. Yeah. Yeah, you can understand it's marketing, isn't it?

Trev:

Exactly.

Wayne:

But talking of the history of a traveler you are did you start off with an Atari? 2600?

Trev:

Yeah, sign up with an Atari as I in television at a colecovision I was made. Yeah, I liked as a kid. I loved it was something that I did obviously after the game consoles. The Hong Kong computers come in I was a spectrum kid. But the weird thing is with me we've got with video gaming and console stuff was I was either one or the other a bit like when we spoke about films and mother being a Star Trek fan or a Star Wars fan. I was like that with video games with especially like computers. I was a spectrum kid. I think you were as well. Was Yeah, the 48 other kids. Yeah. And but you had other kids that were Commodore and there was a divide there wasn't there. Yeah, the

Wayne:

games was a Commodore was to be fair, better. represented games better, but the spectrum was cooler in our kind of way.

Trev:

I think the spectrum was colder because it was quite DIY. It was like a gorilla. Yes. T games. Computers, wasn't it you could hack in a very deal. You could hack it. You can even plug joysticks even could you get into fights? That's right. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we did. Which was like now you just think what they didn't even have the ability to?

Wayne:

Well, that's the funny thing. We went from Atari, which was a you put a cartridge in and it's instant, to actually having to load a game with a tape recorder for six minutes. Boys. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. But after last week's

Trev:

tell me to do it.

Wayne:

Yeah, please do. I do. Too many white coats, please. Yes,

Trev:

I should have another drink.

Wayne:

No, but you're right. You had six minutes of a horrible noise of data going into the and then it would Hello.

Trev:

How fast will it be to see you there watching it? Because you get but you need you know that it wasn't loaded? If the loading screen come up or funny colors? Yes, Marshall. Stop it, then. Yes, that's right. It will get right to the end, wouldn't it? Yeah. And then just fire or go back there for like seven or eight minutes.

Wayne:

But what was that? Was that just was it because the spectrum could do better graphics and graphics more than Atari? But no, but why did we go from a cartridge based system to basically one where we had to me it was it?

Trev:

Is the cassette version? for this?

Wayne:

Yeah, the Yeah, the

Trev:

bootlegging and copying wasn't it?

Wayne:

Yeah, it was. Yeah, that's

Trev:

right. We may not one of you could buy that game. And as long as you add a tape to tape, tape recorder, you could pirate them. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I 90 minute tapes, but really good quality metal compilations

Wayne:

of games

Trev:

of guns that I had, like, I tested loads of different tape recorders to see which was wonderful glows the best games.

Wayne:

How did you find the number two second, it would be a nightmare to try and find the second game on the disk. The disk to tape, wouldn't it?

Trev:

You know how you should do that? Oh, I should write down where it is. Yeah. Yes. I used to do that. Why? How I was I as a kid. He's just slide. Yes. I can even remember the local shopping South End the best computer stations or software plus. Patience was a camera shop. Yes. Yeah. But it had a room at the back where it just had all these computer game software's and Aladdin's cave

Wayne:

if

Trev:

you remember how they were stacked as well. Yes, gosh. Oh, and he touched one of them. I'm not one of them over. He would knock them all.

Wayne:

I was always looking in the bargain bin Trevor's, you know, I was walking up with a mafia

Unknown:

190

Wayne:

One on one special was the revenge of the C five and stuff. Yeah.

Trev:

Oh really? Yeah. Finders keepers and those kind of That's the one.

Wayne:

Yeah, the adventure games we just said turn left here and yeah.

Trev:

That's bizarre that we went over to cassette base stuff.

Wayne:

Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to obviously the graphics had improved slightly from the Atari. Yeah, but we have many years of that before there was that generation with the and then it went to amigas, didn't it? Yeah, well, when did they already know it was the snez? Was it the entire Nintendo in the entertainment system? And the Master said you weren't really a Sega guy though. It was you? Yeah, it was. Yeah, I

Trev:

was more than a year I was. I've never been I to this day. I've not I've been tendo Xbox now. Again, I've got that kind of thing. You're either one or the other. Yeah, I've known I've known guys that tried to have every game console even the handheld ones, which would just useless Well, yeah, I really tried to catch on. I know the game boys. Monday, you've got still got rubbish. If you really I attended the best one I thought was the Game Gear.

Wayne:

Yeah, that was okay. That

Trev:

was good. I remember the animation and principles. You've been really good for such a small piece of gear. But the weird thing was, it was handheld. But then you'd stick a big magnifying glass on it and a magnifying glass. Like a front. Yeah, that's just making huge. Yeah, it's not really handheld anymore. Is it? No. Okay, the handheld gaming thing just didn't pass it.

Wayne:

But it's still I mean, obviously, now that cross crossover is the Nintendo Switch up to date now. You've got one of Harrison, boys go on. Sorry. But you know, I can see the appeal. I mean, the games are good. They're exactly same as what you remember. I'm just better graphics. So I mean, it's super mario and things but in 3d, I

Trev:

think a bit like movies. I I just didn't like the idea of playing childish characters.

Wayne:

No.

Trev:

Yeah, I, as soon as not the more serious games coming out, like kind of silent here or Resident Evil. I was all about them. Yeah, no, I think probably the biggest one for me. And you because we rely, you know,

Wayne:

early 20s Metal Gear Solid, Metal

Trev:

Gear Solid band that changed our lives. I

Wayne:

think i think i think it's safe to say that we're getting in it. We we weren't quite as relaxed as we are now as you can tell. And in M days. I remember we had this kind of competition that we hadn't actually set out. But we want you to be the first one to finish it. So used to go home. And I'd be planning all night just not having any dinner. I'll be I mean, I'm not young. I'm about 28 years old now. But no responsibilities going home. Try playing it and then I'd get a text or something from trips and I'm right at the last screen and I'm like near enough there as well. When it would be like three in the morning trying to get this done.

Trev:

That changed everything that game for us. Brilliant. And then there was another guy syphon filter. Yes. Good is worried a fund really wide.

Wayne:

The ps1 changed it massively.

Trev:

Yeah, I got one the day it was released. Yeah. Which is a bit i got i haven't got a PS five year I know you're trying to source one for us. Yeah, but I haven't got one in normally. I buy these consoles as soon as they come out. All the rest of them the PS two ps3 ps4. I've had them die of release. I think Sony have really you need to get x bought the new Xbox. Yeah,

Wayne:

a bit easier, but they're still there. So a lot of it's obviously to do with the current situation but the the player spy has outsold to ps4 even though that was hard to get hold of buy a four to one. It's really under I don't know if they do it on purpose just to create some kind of weird demand.

Trev:

So yeah, I

Wayne:

because why didn't they just get enough ready before they know that it was gonna be

Trev:

just doesn't make sense.

Wayne:

Because there's more of them. But as people who were there, they the way they look is the people that are on the fence will get caught up in the desperation of it and want to buy it. Now I asked. He's caught me from being on history because I wasn't there. And then all of a sudden, some I saw somebody else buy one. Where'd you get that from? Oh, I got it from him. And then I'm like, Oh, I must get one and I'm tapping away refreshing. Yeah, I'm 5950 years old, nearly.

Trev:

I would have been a lot more polling. If there would have been a game on that was released with it all came out the same time was released the PS five, that was so spectacular, that I had to get if it was Metal Gear Solid versus Cypher filter. They just looked incredible. There isn't to me.

Wayne:

No, they look great. I don't think the jump in this generation is going to be as much as some of the others to be fair, you've got to have all the hardware to be able to display it right. So if you haven't got an eight to 100 hertz TV with eight k capabilities and a 2.1 HDMI, you know, you're not going to get the full benefit of it anyway,

Trev:

that's the problem, isn't it? They want a big mass market. But they've got to keep the technology so advanced that sometimes people aren't as fast with it. Know, they kind of get left out. Yeah, I think that's a bit you know, but then they're not going consoles anymore. Their home entertainment systems. Yeah, because they've got the Netflix is built in 4k, 4k DVD or Blu ray player all night.

Wayne:

But can I make a plea to everyone don't please don't invest. When we know you got enjoying playing your games, please don't invest in one of these digital only once versions. Because really, what that's doing away with what they want us to do is basically stop being able to trade in our games, because then you'll buy the game once no stuck with it, you're gonna just have to delete it. You can't use that to invest in a different game. So I'm waiting for the dispersion. Yeah, exactly. And that's the way you can tell that's where they want us to go with it. Because then they've got it. They can't sell anything. So you can be buying more games?

Trev:

Yeah, I think that's what people say. And it's kind of the storage space. Everyone discs everywhere, because I don't actually buy very many games. No, you

Wayne:

rent them down. You know,

Trev:

I've read them. Are you gonna do that? And if so, did you was it? This is it? I don't know. You can stream guys,

Wayne:

I suppose.

Trev:

Yeah. Because Yeah, yeah. But the weird thing is good. I'm so crap. I find I get so frustrated with him. And back in the day, if you spent 45 quid on one. You were sort of got to play at that level, because you pay that money. Now where I've read them. I'm like that stuff that I'm looking wound up with that. I just put it back in the envelope and send it back. Yeah. I noticed the games that came out for the PS five and first Well, they 5060 quid Yeah. Yeah.

Wayne:

Yeah, they're good. They think that they could get away with it. But yeah, you could start picking them up already for 45 an hour 40 quid for the most of the the launch ones, but I always wait. Now I don't want to split that. You said, you don't play a game to death anymore. They're very old few. So you hardly get your money's worth out of it. But especially at our age, so many things you want to be doing and you know, enjoying your time. You can't invest it all in a computer game as much as some games you play.

Trev:

Yeah, going back to the nostalgia trip of it. You know what, what else really sold me as a computer guy kid? was seeing the movie troll? Oh, yes, definitely.

Wayne:

That pulled me right. We spoke about that in last week's episode. And we

Trev:

Yeah, really the arcade game but the film was just great. You know, raise your interest. by by by weird man crush love affair with Jeff Bridges, who I hope is doing better now. And I was

Unknown:

like, Yeah,

Trev:

yeah, that's great. But yeah, yeah, that might have started that off. But yeah, tron was a real big, big thing for me. And hence why now.

Wayne:

You know, we're approaching where we now midlife and we're still enjoying these games. Actually, I've got some a couple of stats trivia is 10% overall, is just a UK but I mean, it's pretty typical for the rest of the world as well. 10% of 45 to 54 year olds regularly buy into games 10% one in 10 I think that's quite hot for our age group because often seems like we're different to other people. But the biggest age group as you can probably imagine a 16 to 24 but there's still people now Yeah, I don't class on the phones as video gaming. I know that everyone if you included people to

Trev:

be I don't. I amazes me, I don't actually have one game on my phone. No, it doesn't. It's not interesting. I can see why people do. But I just I don't know. I think what it is with me, I've always been video game wise, I really want to invest myself into it. The other thing I'd like to hear if we have got any lady listeners is if any other girls or ladies play video games, please contact us and tell us what your favorite games are. Because there's a big market for that one isn't their female?

Wayne:

Yeah, that's one of the growing segments so yeah, if female and older Yeah.

Trev:

When we were kids no go No, go play video games, did

Wayne:

they? They've aimed game specifically because I think things like Lara Croft were intended to resonate with women powerful women characters. No, no no hitting the wall for hours on end and inside you know, restoration I personify. Yes.

Trev:

So you when you talk about color, Julia color things that really gets I remember a band playing Call of Duty was how like, we'd stay up to be online. Yeah. Yeah, we have to get up and work off six. And I still be planning at four in the morning. Just couldn't.

Wayne:

Time has no meaning.

Trev:

Oh, honestly,

Wayne:

which games about half an hour? Isn't it?

Trev:

Yeah. Did you get a you feel like you hear in a clan or you feel like you're letting your team down if you disappeared? Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, that was the thing you feel like you would like. And I honestly, I'd be sitting there with what dinner? Just going coke. Like just sitting there and touched it honestly, when you're that invested in something, it just feels like yeah, that was a

Wayne:

I would we be doing without it? I live in a normal life, I guess I don't know.

Trev:

Unless you live? Yeah, exactly. I don't really. But I've known people, good friends that I play with play Call of Duty with. And because I taken their care package. Recently, yeah. It's video guy. I appreciate you and like you get absorbed. But really, you just

Wayne:

think that's why we give up a lot of things in the past. That's a different subject. But when people start getting funny review, I think it's time to drop the team sports, isn't it? But I think it is talking about it. That's not a team sport, Trevor, and it's just for you. Yeah, I think it's that time of the week for his test drive time. So real reason I didn't want to mention some of these consoles early like

Trev:

console knowledge isn't required.

Wayne:

I've made actually the first one. I wouldn't expect many people to get this it looks like a bit of a trick question. But again, these these these segments more to inform everyone once we get the answer. So number one, question one, what was the first publicly released video game console ever made? And it's a multiple choice trip. So we got a choice. We've got a choice of Pong, Atari 2626 2600 Magnavox Odyssey, Nintendo Entertainment System. So what was the first publicly released video game console Pong Atari Magnavox Odyssey, so it wasn't making me laugh every time. It sounds like James Bond. Magnavox Odyssey let me give you a hint. Do what you normally do. When you do in this segment.

Unknown:

Go for sleep.

Wayne:

Go for Magnavox Odyssey are you?

Unknown:

Yeah, you are you are? Probably.

Wayne:

Yeah, because you always say you the one that sounds a bit. Well, I hadn't when I researched this. I thought it was Paul was

Trev:

gonna use this machine. I looked at our house. He

Wayne:

was released the Magnavox Odyssey was released in 1972. The system actually came with removable TV screens that you could put on the Magnavox TVs to enhance the graphics 1972 with we were one. So you know, really, when we think

Trev:

of documentaries. I did. I've watched a lot of documentaries about video games and stuff like that. Because I just love the old sort of 70s the Atari Games. Yeah. You know,

Wayne:

that was Pong, wasn't it? Atari was Pong. Yeah.

Trev:

You saw the guys they got they take a picture their office when they were working on these like big computers. And then they just looked like the Doobie Brothers. Video games, always handlebar mustaches, the ringer t shirt seven nine reassigned to the sort of short sidelight really kind of high?

Wayne:

Actually, if you want to see what he's referring to go to it, we'll put it on the website. I think actually, if you go to our Instagram page of midlife, less ordinary podcast, and you'll see trade on there in a very entertaining and very

Trev:

yet with really kind of highly harsh

Wayne:

reality. That is definitely another story. But the question to Trev what system was mistakenly referred to as the first game system and was a home to some of the most popular arcade games like Space Invaders and asteroids, and your choices are? Sega Master System, Atari 5200, Atari 2600 and Intellivision. Now I think you must get this one right.

Trev:

I knew you'd put to Atari is definitely one of them. It's a 2600

Unknown:

Yes.

Wayne:

Well done. Yeah, I knew you'd get that one. But yeah, I

Trev:

need to see one Atari I don't know he straight away.

Wayne:

Yeah, exactly. No spacing. Remember playing Space Invaders on it in 1970 tare Gaiden to me ever.

Trev:

And obviously like everything, River Road. Everything was Activision. anything good for the Atari was Activision kaboom, kaboom.

Wayne:

Yeah, that's it. That's a couple of days

Trev:

on. That was one of the only games I think I've ever used a pound for. Remember paddles? Yeah. pedals. Yeah. They were the kind of the circular controllers. absolutely useless for everything apart from kabu

Wayne:

1977. I didn't realize that there was the target versus now. 2600. I think kabooms 80s. Wasn't the early 80s.

Trev:

Yeah. pitfall and kaboom. Kaboom. was a was a Masters type of game played it. Look it up on YouTube. Yeah. It had the most basic present ever, but to say was addictive. And to say it was a challenge was an understatement. Did you ever take a picture talking to pitfall? Did you ever take a picture of you completing pitfall with that job?

Wayne:

So you could said Oh, I know that that was a thing. Yeah.

Unknown:

I did it. Yeah, I did it. I

Wayne:

said, I probably couldn't afford a camera. And a window. Yeah, exactly. No, that cost a bit of a theme developing here. Like I was something Yeah. Don't send.

Trev:

Don't say, Yeah, don't wind down the mind.

Wayne:

Don't do it now. It's fine.

Trev:

If you're a Video Game Nerd, and you've never someone's actually lent me I know he listens to this. He's lent me his research. He lent me one of those Raspberry Pi's. Do you know what they are? Oh, yeah, no, we

Wayne:

mentioned it on last week's episode. Yeah,

Trev:

I haven't. I've only used it once. And I tell you what, as good as these old games are, they are so frustrating to pi.

Wayne:

Yeah, much more difficult.

Trev:

Because they're so unresponsive. We're so spoiled with, like, how responsive video games are now, what do you play older ones, but sometimes

Wayne:

the emulation isn't quite as good as they originally intended to play on a big old CRT. Tilak TV type screen, not a flat screen and all that and emulation can't quite capture that. But still, it's still got that nostalgia feeling, which is always good. Especially when Yeah,

Unknown:

you know exactly. Next question.

Wayne:

Yeah, question for what system can play video games, music and even use it for education, but did not sell well because of the games and high price. And I knew this one. I multi game 11 the Philips CDi, C Sega CD, or Honda in car system? Oh yeah, that's likely 100 Garcia What the hell is that?

Trev:

Yeah. So let's get rid of that one. Philips, CDI,

Wayne:

Sega CD or multi game 11. And you could do video games, music and even use it for education. And I knew this because I

Unknown:

wanted to really?

Wayne:

Yeah, I knew I knew. I knew the answer to it. Yeah, when I done it, but

Trev:

I've got a clue.

Wayne:

which one you're going for multigame 11 Philips CDi or Sega CD which we're doing away with the Honda in car system. Which one you

Trev:

just say one through a Sega CD?

Wayne:

Is the Philips cd cdis yeah used to see in the Argos catalog again that's been referenced multi catalog and he had to remember that you say can help you with your home nice to think oh, I used to do my homework anyway, but

Trev:

he said that I'm glad you said the Argos catalog and didn't say this catalog because if I need to get the case Carla I know Yes.

Wayne:

A key to accessible Yeah, get

Trev:

your case was to look at the bra and panties. And I still do I still do it now

Wayne:

well there's a very fine line between the age you are when you're sort of flicking through and thinking that's a boring section so then all of a sudden, then pages are all like creased up and everything Yes.

Trev:

I'm gonna say stuck together.

Wayne:

I do think that alright moving on Question four. What was one of the first game systems that actually enabled in internet connection and was known to have really good graphics at the time some of the classics but system and owners Sonic Adventure and House of the Dead to this is quite easy. There is no CIE there is no system like that. Is that one be Sega Dreamcast, see PlayStation two, or D The Sega CD. I knew this one as well. And I still got one and I'll tell you what, it's a brilliant console. And it's 22 years old. Yes. I've still got one and I'll tell you what.

Trev:

I shouldn't do on it.

Wayne:

Yeah, well Shenmue should live in its time as a brilliant game on the Dreamcast is nothing it's rubbish on the ps4.

Trev:

Yeah, what? Yeah, I got that. The bizarre thing we Shenmue was that one point you were driving a forklift?

Wayne:

Yeah. No, but I quite enjoyed

Unknown:

it at work. Yeah, I

Wayne:

know. But sometimes the Yeah, well, you can say in Grand Theft Auto, you know, I better not go there. Yeah. But you know, there's plenty of things you can do there that I wouldn't do in our daily life, you know, but yeah, there's so much Dreamcast if you can find one of them cheap I tell you what for arcade kind of crazy taxi games like that great fun Yeah, it was. It was in the middle and with drag it out and we put it on a planet for hours. Just really good fun the graphics of his time.

Trev:

I think they would the neogeo of that generation. Yes. And neogeo I remember that being like a difficult console. Because it was when we were kids. It was so expensive. To me, the only place you could get games was London. Yes. And there's a scene scene that the game boxes in Oxford Street when I was I went out there my family, and you'd be like, that's the neogeo you know, that was because it actually looked like graphically like a real arcade machine.

Wayne:

Yeah, I'm trying to find it on the timeline. I've got in front of me like trying to find my neck came out but you had the Calico vision trip to do by the collega? So that's at the same time as Atari 5200 in the NBA, I

Trev:

hate it. I'd snuff that was a bit I think wasn't it? Yes. Right. Yeah, vision might find Zach's in on it. I differ generations issue. Yeah, pole position with the steering wheel. Yeah, that was a really good system that really looked like an arcade machine.

Unknown:

Yes,

Trev:

that would that was something else that really was

Wayne:

I don't remember much about the Atari 5200 you

Trev:

know, I don't really get as soon as you say a little bit of trivia. Testing you a bit Do you know what the the Atari logo is from?

Wayne:

I'm gonna say no because I couldn't describe it but I ID I know it but you know when you put me under pressure and I'm not we haven't done test wine before so

Trev:

mount Mount Fuji I believe so the mountain isn't it?

Wayne:

Yes it again that documentary you referenced I think that describes something to do with

Trev:

you if anybody watched that that was really good.

Wayne:

I really liked I've come in boys called we should have really looked at but we can put it on the show notes after this. Yeah, that's very good. Yeah,

Trev:

but you know, going back to that that kind of adventure the last version what was the game with it the sort of survivor thing with the girl and the boy the last Last of Us that was lucky this year. Well that was quite emotional. The new one I found really boring. Yeah, so

Unknown:

a lot of people have said that I don't know yeah, just moved on in a cinematic

Trev:

Yeah, just to epic. They just tried too hard. It was just like

Wayne:

a slog to play these games are are aimed at people of our age really, aren't they? They just get me from playing them they they you know they're not for kids really usually get the the kids are playing the light and stuff.

Trev:

Yeah, they have it they remember they made really big actors didn't know doing the voiceovers. Gary Oldman,

Wayne:

and Kevin Spacey, and the one hour London Craig febrace, as well.

Trev:

As is Come on.

Wayne:

Yeah, if you didn't know.

Trev:

you'd let your kids knew a game console where Kevin Spacey was involved. No. No.

Wayne:

He told him great films even going I can't even watch it. Not just See No Evil Hear No Evil with it.

Unknown:

With a mobile Yeah,

Wayne:

exactly. But sorry. That's a definitely another topic. But what games? Have you I mean, you probably play more than I do. I have spells we playing games I've enjoyed playing just caught up playing and the later redos of Resident Evil, which I loved. absolutely loved playing them again. I've done two and three are just

Trev:

so good readers. I was playing the new mafia today. And they've just redone the old one to be really good. But it does feel a bit dated worm. I really enjoyed Assassin's Creed Valhalla. Yes. looks amazing. But the problem with it is, is Vikings aren't really assassins so the kind of game plot doesn't really work that well.

Wayne:

They're not doing the Godfather though Trevor though it's just entertainment and

Trev:

well yeah, but he doesn't he takes you away from the actual

Wayne:

I suppose if you're trying to immerse yourself in some it Yeah,

Trev:

well, the thing is Assassin's Creed though is supposed to be kind of assassins and still. And you're like a big Viking sort of struggling about so it does take it away from that but I enjoyed that. I can't say a lot for the new ps4 games. I haven't got one. But again, but do you need another Spider Man game?

Wayne:

Well, sadly I really wouldn't but it looks great. I mean the actual you know the gameplay and everything you know, it's not for me, I've

Trev:

never I may not know. But normally when these games when they look great, the gameplay nobody suffers. Exactly. That. So some of

Wayne:

the best games that some of the worst graphics superhero games in general. I don't think they're

Trev:

tough. Yeah, they

Wayne:

just don't try For 10 minutes, but we've been playing 16 years.

Trev:

Yeah, yeah, the new Avenger game is like that. It's just like, Oh, okay. No, no. Yeah, I

Wayne:

don't know. So I think maybe we should come up to the summary and summarize on what we think about video games in the midlife truth. So, playing games is definitely cool. Because we're always gonna say anything's cool. We don't be biased. But it's good fun. It's escapism from your daily ins and outs. Immerse yourself in a game if

Trev:

you've got, too. Don't get too connected with it, though.

Wayne:

Yeah, in my opinion, Mona Trevor's, he steals your care package is what he's trying to say.

Trev:

Yeah, because I've got you killed on Korra juice. Yeah, I know that. The thing is, I think people are and that's what the companies want. They want you to get that immerse that you've got a buyer, the new add on

Wayne:

the idling sort of thing. Yeah,

Trev:

exactly. That's the theory. He's getting to the point where you can't I'm only play fortnight once. You've probably played it. A lot. Yeah. A little one there.

Wayne:

Again, but he wants me to never pay for an add on.

Trev:

Some of these games are going to get to the point where you can't play them.

Wayne:

Now. That's right. They do it on purpose. Yeah, they do. So you cannot get any further right. No. One always wants to use his pocket money for buying add ons to games, you know, and I tried to teach him that it's not good. buy another game out of it. You know, Surely there's I'm old

Trev:

school challenge. Yeah, the challenge should be, you'll get rewarded for playing it not for but then that's marketing. But yeah, I think he's definitely cold. As long as you don't get too immersed in and where and if you can wear a T shirt. You can wear an Atari t shirt. That's cool. Oh, yeah, on Atari too. So

Wayne:

we do do a good job. I said, Yeah, but yeah, but you can't you can't get away with that kind of retro cool. You know, the gaming side. Even if people don't got older consoles, I think that's cool. I'm off to the side to space out every single console through the generations.

Trev:

If I had the money, and I'd have like complete games room with them all lined up on separate screens, the regionals?

Wayne:

Definitely, definitely. So yeah. To summarize, if you're playing games, or you want to play, leave us a message on the website, as always. Yeah, I mlo podcast.com.

Trev:

Yeah, leave a message about how to get past the leader skater track on guitar here, I could never do that.

Wayne:

guitar. Again, that's another conversation for another time. Great game, great fun. epitomizes the whole console generation and the add ons you could buy though actually worthwhile. The guitars.

Trev:

So I met you while you were talking about leaving messages, which we should talk about? No,

Wayne:

no. Yeah, please do let us know on the website. You can leave comments now on every episode page, a mlo podcast.com. As always, leave us a voicemail. Also, on our next season of podcasts. We're doing specialist subjects for different people. Very interesting stuff. And we're looking for people to join us on it. So to do interviews. Yeah. Any interest you'd like to talk about you think adds value to people? Yeah, any anything. Anything that you know about? Contact Us, you can either leave us a message on the website or leave a voicemail, and we'll get back to you. And we'd love to hear from you. So, to summarize today's episode, thanks for joining us, as always,

Trev:

I'll show I feel like I'm lagging now. That's game speak. I'm lagging.

Wayne:

We live in the country, your internet connection, you're lagging all the time, which is another reason I don't play them. Definitely, I'd like everyone else. Yeah, it's terrible. But I need to move back to the city man. Move back to the city. But thanks for joining us, as always. It's been great. This is actually the last of this season. We'll revisit some of these topics in the future. Yeah. But say let us know what you thought of them. You know what, maybe what we could do different or better. Give us give us some such suggestions and feedback. And it's great. Thanks for joining us, and we'll see you next month. So thanks, everyone. Bye.

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