Jan. 24, 2021

Male Grooming Tips - To Dye Or Not To Dye!

Wayne & Trev embark upon a discussion that is close to their heart and explore the often emotional subject of mens hair and what tends to happen to it as we age.


Date: 24th January 2021

Name of show: A Midlife Less Ordinary

Episode title and number: To Dye Or Not To Dye

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 Brief summary of show:

 Wayne & Trev embark upon a discussion that is close to their heart and explore the often emotional subject of mens hair and what tends to happen to it as we age.

  Not afraid to tell it as it is, the guys talk of their own struggles with hair loss and going grey and how it has effected them. Ultimately, as always they will be concluding what is cool and what is not in the quest to look and feel good with your hair as a middle aged guy.

 Bullet points of key topics & time stamps:

 Trev: 5:27 

Because obviously, I've always been into sort of rock music and that kind of thing. And I've always had, I always had long hair. I had it cut, because obviously, I didn't get bullied in school for it. But you know, if it was good, if the kids are wicked, nice, they take the Mickey so. So the hair was things I cut it, and then obviously, grew it back long. 

 ●Trev: 24:09 

You know, obviously we probably have a very limited amount of ladies listening to this, but I've got no problem with telling a lady if she smells nice.

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Transcript

intro:

You're listening to a mid life less ordinary, the weekly podcast giving you the lowdown on becoming a cool older dude. The good times are not evaded memory. It's time to start loving them again. And here are your hosts, Wayne and Travis crab. Yeah, hello,

Wayne:

everyone. Welcome to this episode of amid life less ordinary, lovingly entitled to die or not to die. I'm Wayne and this is trev

Trev:

How we doing?

Wayne:

And basically to die or not to die is an episode close to both of our hearts. It's all about hair, your hair styles. What happens to your hair over time? what products you use on your hair? How to accept when you haven't got as much as you used to have once? And what color it is? Yeah, exactly. In my case,

Trev:

the appearance of your hair. Exactly. We

Wayne:

look like a chessboard when we're next to each other these days. Because whichever is still dark lines gone a bit white but

Trev:

yeah, not Pink. Pink bit coming through at some point. But what do you think's worse? We've had the great thing of our board. Definitely. Yeah, I

Wayne:

think we're during this gray. You've been with me when we've been at it. You know, people have said Oh, gray fox silverfox distinguished.

Trev:

Yeah,

Wayne:

Philip Schofield made it Okay. Yes, right now not Phillip Schofield. He's not the best example. To be fair. He's holding the gophers a bear.

Trev:

Might something else same. Okay.

Wayne:

We're not, I'm not even going to go.

Trev:

Talking about now.

Wayne:

But let's hope that we could establish by the end of this episode, basically, what you should be doing with your hair. What you have done with your hair. What? What can you do with what's left over? Yeah.

Trev:

So first haircut you remember having

Wayne:

it was the traditional 1970s basin cut. Your mom used to do it trev. Yeah. Yeah. Not to literally put a bow around but you just cut your hair.

Trev:

I don't draw. You should just cut your fringe. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Yeah.

Wayne:

Hair over your ears.

Trev:

And then you'd hear that that snip snip snip snip snip. Then it kind of fell onto your forehead. So you knew it was there. You

Wayne:

that's all I knew. So I thought that that was how you had you know, I've never heard of a BBs

Trev:

No, yeah, well, we went to the BBs first

Wayne:

out, I was 15. You could tell because, yeah, because the school photos, I had the basin job with the crooked fringe. And then all of a sudden when I was in 16 or so all of a sudden, look, I went to the big yin, it looks like it's

Trev:

not proper to begin the beginning if anybody's not sponsored by them. But yes, I do know them quite well. And I still go there now. thing, the place I went to get my haircut first ever, which is just around the corner from where I live, because I've lived in the same neighborhood when I've moved and stuff. But I actually still go there obviously is a different person. The first time I remember having my hair cut, you know, when you have your hair cut now that I've kind of wash it or they've got like a spray bottle where they wet it.

Wayne:

Yeah, yeah, well, that's usually when they're doing a chop only. Back Back in

Trev:

the day, the first time I ever got my hair cut. The guy that used to own the big yin he there wasn't a spray ball then they weren't around. So what they do is he'd actually wet his hands under the tap of the sink in there. And he just batter your head with Hey, how

Wayne:

old were you? When did you go to the first?

Trev:

I think I was about I nine?

Wayne:

Did you have long hair things? I didn't know you didn't know I had no

Trev:

I had children when I was at Junior schools I had no I had I had longish hair Junior schools I was into rock music then and then when I came to senior school but yeah going back to the barber he would slap the water on on your head with his white hands so this to come out with this really headache up like oh not what because you only a kid obviously there was probably was just patting it. But it felt it was like playing the bongos on your head. And honestly you come out you're like you're terrible haircut and a headache. for like three pounds.

Wayne:

I can't believe we didn't have water bowls in the 70s they didn't they didn't know we moved on. They didn't have

Trev:

no thinking they did. That's what he used to do. And no I had long hair longest hair because obviously it was a 70 so you could get away with it. But I still had long hair when I went to senior school because I put my hand up to be in the school football team when the front of the PE teachers came around our classes. I'll put I said I will go for us to play in gold and our tape to the theater. He said no, no goes for this time.

Wayne:

No. bullying in school.

Trev:

The sexual thing was a lot different when we were going to school. Politically correctness. Exactly.

Wayne:

Yeah. Oh, well. So shows your first experience of somebody being prejudiced against your

Trev:

hair. Basically, yes, yeah. Yeah. And obviously I

Wayne:

had this happened a few times to you as new. I've been with you something well,

Trev:

yeah. Because obviously, I've always been into sort of rock music and that kind of thing. And I've always had, I always had long hair. I had it cut, because obviously, I didn't get bullied in school for it. But you know, if it was good, if the kids are wicked, nice, they take the Mickey so. So the hair was things I cut it, and then obviously, grew it back long. You know, in this, I'm going to say the word now a mallet in my kind of when I was 1516, and had a mallet all the way probably through to my early 20s 21 because he got a member that's mid 80s trip, so he's quite fashionable. But it was a killer haircut. My kid was retrospectively on the top party at the bank, my father

Wayne:

was good. Yeah, it was kind of spiky. Wasn't it yet?

Unknown:

Yeah, it kind of spiking on the top and long at the back, honestly, because my hair is dry. So

Wayne:

did you ever straighten your hair, if you ever straighten

Unknown:

it a few times, but yeah, back in the 90s when it was when I thought I was a member of Motley Crue. Yeah, I did it but I remember crypto now. Man, I didn't know I know. So. I'm MB. Always review your hair. It was always spicy and colored. Blonde wasn't long. That's right. Yeah.

Wayne:

Exactly. It was exactly that, you know, again in the 80s Billy Idol. I can't I love him, you know, and he's MTV videos. And I wanted that blonde spiky hair.

Trev:

Super drugs. Hey. Yes, I know. I yeah. All I used to use it on in long hair. No, all I used to you know, with my mallet. All I used on was the sides. So I had all natural hair. But rock hard like concrete sides. Yes. You couldn't even get a comb for me. It was trying to put a brush for it was like honestly, I hate them was like a little village cottage because it was on the side. But factual the top it was it was a good one. A killer. You never colored your hair drove. Um, I cut it out. I was so influenced by sort of musicians and bands. I remember be I was really into five no more. And Mike Patton, the lead singer had very similar hair to me. And I was so influenced to you either way. A lot of tracksuit bombs and a biker jacket on he did a backward cat. And his hair color was the same color as mine. And he had a blonde streak in the back of it. And I was like, gotta have it done. got it done. I think my I think my mom did it. I think I think she

Wayne:

I don't remember you ever having kind of did

Unknown:

well you won't remember it. Because I had it a few she did it a girl I was going out with did it. And it turned bright orange. That bit that one string. It turned that bright orange light, you know got really busy because your hair is quite dark. Yeah, this is it.

Trev:

Yeah. And I think there was a bit of a mistake with a diet. So I had to cut it out. So I had like, this lucky was right underneath. We got the hair right underneath to do it. Yes. So I could cut it out. But yeah, going back to your hair. I remember you just having a lot of blonde spiky hair and having a lot of product on it. Yeah,

Wayne:

I did that I spent hours with some of the people we used to go school with stand upside down basically try my hair with that super glue hair gel where my dad really sticky might stick your fingers together. Not super glue. I haven't got my dad to use that. I remember your dad used to use shock waves didn't remember when you get

Unknown:

real cream? Yeah, he is. He's old school. Yeah, old school. He was a rockabilly. So I used that and he couldn't obviously was awful to wash out and stuff.

Wayne:

He liked it. Didn't he remember? Yeah.

Unknown:

Yeah, I think he borrowed some of mine once just to see where next. Chemicals the colorings that must have been in that gel.

Wayne:

It doesn't bear thinking about you have your hair perfect overview. I mean, obviously for you, you had your your hair was long. And you know you that takes a lot of maintenance,

Trev:

doesn't it? Yeah, I used to wash it. Obviously every day. I have pride myself in my early 20s of having really clean hair. And it was the fashion was to have a side Paul in so yes, I what I did, I had a mallet and then wanted to grow it all out. So what I did was I permit it to get it out of that kind of two level tier haircut. Yeah, I just I just looked all curly and not actually strange enough, which I can't believe I probably look like more like, I don't know, I remember a girl saying, Oh, you look like Michael Hutchins. really well. That's not what you'd ever say. But because I had this

Wayne:

as long as we don't find you in a wardrobe somewhere. Like the

Trev:

mag on your head. We have a budget. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously was in obviously in two inner pets. I don't know where he was. Exactly. And I had that. And then obviously, it was so cool to have in the kind of early 90s to have your hair parted on the side, like, and it would just slightly come over your eyes. And I used to stand in, in the pubs I used to drinking with my head tilted slightly to make it look even more. But yeah, it was how mad when I had long hair. How bad was it for playing with it? all the time? Oh, yes.

Wayne:

I flicking around making sure it's straight. Yeah,

Trev:

terrible. Yeah, no,

Wayne:

I mean, if I'm not being funny, I mean, which is great. And there's we've come to find out during the course of these podcasts, it defined you and that's good to have something that defines you and makes you different to everyone else. And you use that and obviously now, you've tried not swapped it literally but you've kind of gone from air into your beard, which will we will talk about on another episode just coming out

Trev:

of individuality kind of thing is

Wayne:

if he does, he wants to be like everyone else. You don't want to just be the same as everyone else. Exactly. Yeah. And that and that made you a school certainly made you everyone. No one would forget who you are. If somebody said you know, Trevor did we would know you and it's because your hair as well. Yeah. Because it's easy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The ones who've got the bowl cut, there's hundreds of us. So you know, how do you define

Trev:

one of them? My mission for me when I had long hair was to keep it because a lot of sort of heavy metal guys and stuff. Like hey, don't love it. I sort of called greases and stuff so they had quite greasy like dirty hair. Yeah, they weren't. If you ever went to a gig back in the early 90s you know the toothbrush awesome. Yeah, you know, heavy metal dudes normally sort of stank a greasy hair. Yeah, some people like carry their own tankard about and stuff. But I really wanted I think he was probably the music that I was listening to in the heavy metal genre. were quite Posey. So I just really wanted clean hair. So my hair I used to use hot oil on it, like twice a week and because it was it was just like, I remember like getting in a ruckus with the guys I used to knock about whether I'm still really good friends now we all read long hair. And we all kind of have an argument with another fella with long hair and you'd be trying to get your hair out of say you didn't get it rude. It was like I remember watching the film. was the one with Mark Wahlberg in when he takes over in the Boogie Nights. No, no, no. Rock Star I

Wayne:

know too. When you mean rock star? Yeah,

Trev:

yeah, really good. And he there's a bit weird though. He met other but he's been another band for in a car park of a geek of an arena. And then last year, they kind of like that's just us back in the day. Really is you know, you never read long here. Did you get a bit of a bit of a? No.

Wayne:

I'd like to have a tail here where we've been like a weird version of Benjamin Button where you've gone from long hair to short hair. And I've got quite a bad look like Bill Bailey or something now so yeah. Yeah, so no, don't go anything against bill Bailey. You're welcome to come on. You're gonna win Strictly Come Dancing, apparently. No, no, sorry. I don't watch it. But he's, you know, just what I mean is yes, that would be quite funny. I've tried. But my hair's too was too wasn't well, it's hard work. I'll be honest, it's just bloody hard

Trev:

work trip was Yeah, I don't have to do it. I'll be taken over that the regime of do my hair back then. As guys, it's become a bit transpire to be mentioned, if you had both of you. Have you ever dyed your hair? You haven't not colored it? Obviously

Wayne:

not a? No. I mean, obviously we've called you so today. I don't think it's good. I remember my my dad being paranoid about going gray. Why don't

Trev:

cry. I don't get it.

Wayne:

I don't know. Because I think it's something that people in general, you know, I mean, if you let it people have power over you by people saying Oh, you're gay. I like it.

Trev:

Okay. Sean Connery. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, one of the biggest heartthrobs ever I remember like watching the film The Rock when you see it, look cool. mean, look at Yeah, she said, so I don't. And if you ever look at any kind of Google call old men or call old dudes will probably come up at one point if you Google it. Yeah.

Wayne:

But yeah, exactly will be us.

Trev:

Most of them have got gray hair. So yeah, he's called surely to have gray hair. I don't see why.

Wayne:

I think I think it's changed. I think attitudes have changed, Trevor, I think that I mean, it's unbeliev I don't I mean, I've gone if I look at pictures from eight years ago, my hair was brown. And then if and so's over, you know, incrementally Yeah, and now I'm almost totally gray and the heading Wyatt so you know, it happens. Rosie macula though, isn't it? But I yeah, I love doing my same as you but obviously with your long hair. He was no your beard. I was with my hair and being short it took me a people who say you got short hair. It takes you an hour and a half to do it. I known for carrying a hairbrush and hair gel in the other pocket when I went out. You know I loved it used to define me in a sense before I used to do the weight training things. And I used to ride a motorbike also and that messes up your hair obviously so I used to carry all that stuff around.

Trev:

I still I still carry I've actually when I work I carry one hair comb, a beard comb and a moustache comb Believe it or not work I carry

Wayne:

some big utility

Trev:

Gremlins, we need that multi tool at the start. Oh, yeah, I can't think

Wayne:

of the name of the companies he's not

Trev:

like a Swiss Army Knife of like

Wayne:

we don't want people to think the idea so before this gets aired, we'll get that paid in sold

Trev:

so that people don't go guys dyeing their hair. A lot of guys dye their beards as well. And really, yeah, people were not the same color as their hair. Well, yeah, occasionally, but no, a lot of people dye their beards to like, cover the crime up and I've got quite a bit of gray by beard. And I was quite looking forward to it going gray. I because I saw the briars. She said again, the grade he's kind of not you don't know you could like Gandalf because he pretty cool. You could find him he symbolizes wisdom to me a touch of grime. Yes. Yeah. Well, you know we don't want everybody to like kind of put just for men our business because we don't want any more anybody. But some people lose. They're really young. lose their hair young. And

Wayne:

look how many famous people man Have you seen lately? Yeah, I've got I've just let it go gray or you can tell they were coloring their hair. What's the bloke at Spandau Ballet Martin? Martin came? Yeah, he just went gray overnight because obviously you've been coloring it Yeah, there's a I can't remember the guys names. I don't really watch it but going east s brown here a bit of a heartthrob branding max branding. I think his name was in the show. Sorry, I know that that just made that go I'll be talking about Russian literature who right now? He went gray gray overnight because I think now is acceptable. Don't let yourself grow look at your hair as it is let people decide if you look good with gray hair.

Trev:

Yeah, don't just look just for the funny thing is the gray hair thing doesn't bother you the gray my beard doesn't bother me. I must admit when I noticed I was losing my hair. I was gutted our markers for having such a call having such long, decent hair to see that I was the slide and yeah, it just devastated me. And I'm still not overly comfortable with it now but it is what it is. What can you do? No,

Wayne:

I think we're both at the same level of this.

Trev:

I use products to help kind of you know the alpecin shampoo

Wayne:

or to make the most of what you got. Yeah,

Trev:

this is it you bought this wall like you know you're not if it totally goes you've just got one strain on Homer Simpson You got it. But you can kind of get away with it. You know, but they don't say I without you know people are probably think I'm a bi I am a groomer. Yeah, what what do people say? What was the saying metrosexual is a metric? Yeah, metrosexual. Yeah. GQ man, I suppose. And you wouldn't think so? Because I just look like a

Wayne:

bike. And really, this is this. This is the thing people tend to think that obviously somebody if you saw Trevor Noah together. Plenty of photos would probably be on some on the website. But you know, you'd say probably I grew more than trip. But Trevor puts a lot more effort into it than I do. I mean, I'm not some sort of judo. Sorry, I've got nothing against.

Trev:

Yeah, so

Wayne:

Now travelers sorry, yeah, I've got nothing against that.

Trev:

Yeah. The weird thing is I don't really get why it's manly. to smell bad or to look bad. Where? Where does that? I don't know. Yeah, just that. Where did that happen? people's preconceptions are big powerful. being true? Yeah. That's the thing. You start with women as well, they could, if they're, they're going out for a night. They could they look totally different without makeup. They wake up in the morning, it's like, what the hell is that mean? Do anything? And they really No, no. And then everything is the truth. If they do they get a bit of a,

Wayne:

you know, the best thing to do is just buy loads of drinks. Trev until they can't tell you that like no, no, no, I would do that kind of thing. Oh, no, no, don't don't say it like that. You make yourself not being authentic.

Trev:

I probably do more than you. But then obviously, I've got a regime it's hard to work. You've got more to look after. and stuff. But yeah, you can over groom I did that about 10 or 15 years ago, like with moisturizer and stuff like that. And if you use too much of it, you can cause problems with your skin, which he did me for months. So you can go over the top, especially if you've got sensitive skin, which I have, you know, so yeah, but yeah, I have to be careful you I don't understand, especially with the sort of aftershave thing because obviously if you looked at me You wouldn't think I use alpha shape obviously I do but I don't know you do not want to smell like I don't care but yeah, I don't get why do you do you use quite expensive aftershave is Yeah, I've got my big feet. I

Wayne:

love smelling nice. So it's part part. I think a lot more when I know my job changed to go on a road. I think you're obviously the impression of you is very important. Well, yeah, I know you still important when you're in the shop. I mean, to me is me. I felt

Trev:

empowered. Full stop, isn't it? Yes. Only certain people that can just get a bed. And don't maybe if you don't care then Good luck to you. But I'm not saying

Wayne:

Yeah. Oh, no. You're spending that time doing something else. Good. Great. You know, as long as you're enjoying it. Yeah,

Trev:

if you see what they're not guilty of you feel a bit embarrassed in do try something. Try to you know, to be all this rubbish about. I haven't got time for that. He's rubbish. Just get up earlier. Yeah, it costs you to take to do it. I don't start work to it. But I get up at 10 to six. I'm not saying I stand in the mirror for two hours. But, but I like to wave and that's another thing. That's probably something for another time, but I like to have time to sit and get eaten to contemplate your day. not want to walk out a beer toast a cup of coffee in the end? No.

Wayne:

But that's the alarm goes off in five minutes.

Trev:

That's why you know why if you've got a beard why you wouldn't use beard oil? No,

Wayne:

no, exactly. No. Well, we're hopefully you can give people's will will bring up the beards will be Yeah. So because obviously, it's fashionable to talk not just fashion. Well, if you add one before that I again, I'll make that clear, but ease fashionable, you know, and people might be thinking of having a beard and you'll see you're very knowledgeable. So yeah, I think that we've dedicated our whole episode to that and yeah, give benefit of your knowledge.

Trev:

It's like where it's taken me as well. I've grown a beard a bit Not exactly. Exactly. So that yay did so that but yeah, go again back on the grooming thing i i don't really understand why people wouldn't Rob why fellers wouldn't want to smell good or feel good. It makes you feel better as well doesn't it?

Wayne:

And your hair look your hair look the hair look good as well, you know whether it's long or short, wherever, just just make sure it's looks like you've made an effort with it. You know, if there's nothing like people saying Oh, I like your hair or you smell nice or something a complimentary towards you. It gives you the props that you're chasing. The thing is, I

Trev:

don't know, you know, obviously we probably have a very limited amount of ladies listening to this, but I've got no problem with telling her lady if she smells nice. Because he doesn't want to know that. If you say Will you smell you know? Yeah,

Wayne:

do it you know, kind of respectful while you've never had a problem calling a spade a spade and I don't mean literally. Obviously you you tell people exactly what's going on, dude. Nice. Exactly. You know we wouldn't be offensive to

Trev:

a beam

Wayne:

does not stick at the dumps backside. makes people feel good. Yeah, your hair looks nice. You know? Yeah. I've learned that to be honest with you. But I think you've helped me with that because I've done that a lot only the last few years and more when I was single to be fair.

Trev:

Time is now, you know, the world's very weird, strange and miserable go a long way. So a couple of compliments to people, especially when you get older because, you know, it just makes you feel like, there is not something to live for. But there's still

Wayne:

good thing No one's ever gonna tell you if we're giving them a compliment, you know, rather than the opposite. I just think it's quite, it's nice. Yeah, it's nice to

Trev:

see a gentleman. Otherwise every day's the same. You just do it in person goes, Oh, by the way that that jacket looks nice on you. Or, you know, only does he do if it does. But if it does, say, you say no, tell somebody tell somebody you know, because it might make their day, they might be having an awful day. They might be but if you tell them, they look nice, or they smell nice, or that suits them or like blah, blah.

Wayne:

Even even blokes if you say that to a lot you try you do that you say? I know if I know because you wouldn't. But you just wouldn't say anything if you wouldn't be offensive. But if you say I like your new trainers or you've noticed things like that, you know, things like that just being in

Unknown:

conversation. It gets you to know people. Yeah, yeah,

Wayne:

there's a lot to be said for that token of knowing people. Trev I want to test your knowledge on something right now with that little segment we like to call tests are more prepared

Trev:

now. That does sound are saying I would listen.

Wayne:

I know hence why it's there. Basically, today's test Trev is a bit different because, well, one, I couldn't think of five questions for the subject. So there's four. But basically, because we're doing hair, I was hoping that basically we'd go through the best mallet for different categories. And those good a lot this is this is your time. Okay, I

Trev:

know you'd like there's no wrong or right answer. No, there's no, there's no right or wrong.

Wayne:

I felt bad. Last week. Do you got a couple wrong? I couldn't sleep. Yeah, you know, I was trying to make those you get them, right.

Trev:

Because I'll be like texting you all night saying like, done. Exactly.

Wayne:

So I'm making it more like trevs advice now rather than trips, tests being tested. So basically best mallet and this is something you should be good at. Not you and you had a great mallet. So you're not including,

Trev:

you know, who had the best smile. ismailia score. So some of the go Yes. Because the tears for theism? I did. Yeah.

Wayne:

Everybody wants to do curls. Yeah.

Trev:

Women are allowed to have a taste for FIA's boys haircut back then. Yeah, that's the

Wayne:

80s Yeah, that's what happens. But these these are these are famous people, so everyone will know him, but rather than the people that went to social Jones, so Okay, so the best mallet and the first category would be sports. So there's a few people I can think of what about yourself?

Trev:

Um, I can think of two guys back in the late 80s. That played for the football team I support. Okay, so spurs play. Yeah, who had Oh, I know you're gonna say well done. look good. Yeah, they kind of were mallets didn't they? They did. Yeah. Yeah. Andre, Cassie has had Mike kind of mallet didn t. Andrew? Yeah, he's was quite long. At the back. See, the thing is, we have Chris Wadler, Glenn Hoddle. They weren't they were mallets but they weren't long at the back. mallets were they? No, they weren't the red No, Molly. They were the Leos Molly, Molly, what they you know, get the jump around the shoulders. Molly. Were me I was more of a redneck mallet when I was a metal Molly. I always always dreamed about Pat cash was easy. Yeah, wonderful. Well, Pat cash Actually, I saw Pat cash a couple of times at gigs. And I saw him come out with geeks. Yeah, you are made to Kevin human john McEnroe. A massive heavy metal fans folk play guitar. Well, yeah. And yeah, Pat cash. I saw him out. Quite a few gigs in London back in the day. And he actually came out with I made once he was good friends with I made when I went to see him a couple of times. They did come out. Yeah, he had a great

Wayne:

year. Good. Yeah. Good as well.

Trev:

He did well emphasize the money because he pushed his headband up. He was probably losing his. And he actually probably she probably was getting a kind of the front of it was guys. He pushed that kind of checker. headband up, didn't he? Yes. caught up. So he had that. Yay. Yay.

Wayne:

Been a good looking guy.

Trev:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, come across a really nice fella. He's Australian. They do,

Unknown:

too. Good, fellas. So Windsor they lot, Trevor, if that's the four that I can think of as me because the amount of product and Carla Cassie Yes, she had his own night and he had color right? Yeah. He had the blonde beats he had dark roots.

Wayne:

And did he have a syrupy at some point?

Trev:

So the weird thing is we've under a gassy. He had loads of hair and then numb.

Wayne:

No, exactly. Yeah, so

Unknown:

it's funny that actually max Marian Steffi Graf does that too? Yeah. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's a German

Wayne:

Nazi collection of No, we won't go. Let's go to category number two. Well done. Yeah, I've done a really good episode. for writing. Couldn't you couldn't push?

Trev:

Yeah.

Wayne:

Was it? Yep. Number two, please. Um, number two movies. So there's a few I can think of straight away but I'll let you

Trev:

get the ultimate one because I'm thinking God, you've got your blockbuster mallet seven year.

Trevor Deeley:

Yeah. Well, just for that film. You mean? No. Well, no, rather than in real life.

Unknown:

Yeah, the blockbuster movies I'm probably gonna forget a couple of them which is a shame but like Mel Gibson had a blockbuster didn't need a lethal weapon. Yeah, lethal weapons. Yeah. blockbuster Malik. Kurt Russell's been a bit of a king with it.

Trev:

Yeah, absolutely doomed in some way. Yeah, kick. Russell had various mollet Sydney. He really Yes. Which was great. He kind of did in so many different films. But I think for ultimate product. Ultimately. I tell you, who you might know you will remember him I think. But if you want to see I was about to say our great van Dam's Maliki's especially in Hall God. Steven Seagal if you let us ponytail Yes. Then he would have addict stanner I've got a few. But you couldn't tell because I tried my hair one thing but I used to grease the top back to get it back in a ponytail drove there. Karate Kid bad guy at number three. You know? I had and I remember a girl actually saying to me night owl. The reason I fancy you is because you look like The Karate Kid.

Wayne:

It's funny that she picked Karate Kid free Yeah, all of them as well. I

Trev:

think this Molly if you could go straight to video. Was Brian Bosworth stone cold? stone. Yeah, remember that? Yes. Hey, look it up. Go on internet movie. Okay, let's see. We might even put the picture up on our website. But Brian Bosworth is an American football. There wasn't a before. Yes. And he was supposed to be like that one of the next big action heroes. I've still got them on Davey, could you put that one at the back? It just comes to me it just come to me but he that field if you can get a chance to see stone cold?

Wayne:

Yeah, he just enjoy it anyway.

Unknown:

It'd be fun. It was just the ultimate it terrible action movie. And he knows that as well. Last Lance henriksen.

Wayne:

Now Cedric says he's a nice

Trev:

guy he got well. If you want to see a film with lots of mallets in it, ripped up t shirts. Tight fight. Kind of sky blue jeans and cowboy boots. Don't cold is your film. It's a film for me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

Wayne:

exactly. Right. Thanks for that one stripy pulled. This one should be I think will only be a good time to do free categories today. So make this one a good one. That's cool. Music. So there's a few choices there. Obviously you can pick

Trev:

genres very quickly. Yes, you've got the ultimate once we've got the country once you've got the ultimate Country and Western mallet, which is a good breaking mallet.

Wayne:

Yes. Yeah. Miley's dead is dead mallet. Bad Somalia.

Trev:

That's bad.

Unknown:

A really poor kind of film with Irish potato blight, isn't it? streets

Wayne:

something that might, it could be far and away to

Trev:

Ali's mother's father's Miley Cyrus had it all Hindley, because it was just hair cuts in one, two. Yeah, you could take both those bits of hair off. And they were like even hairstyles. Yeah, you've got to be Yeah. Some kind of main to get away to hairstyles on one head. And ego. Well, they didn't. He did. He did. And then a bit more obscure for me and the one I actually modeled my Molly on for a few months was Adrian Smith of Iron Maiden. He had Yes, a very sort of short bit longer the bag I remember Jim curette of simple mines had quite a piece. Yeah, he, he dabbled with it. There's probably loads of heavy metal guys. I know Jeff tire queens, right in these early days at a real amazing mallet. But there's probably you could probably go through any year 80s, late 80s, early 90s BAM before heavy metal band before the sub band had done. Really. And obviously, you've got a lot of the same sort of arr bands on survivor the music for Rocky, your journey a lot of their guys had mallets any of that kind of soft rock from like the early 80s. And even Eddie Van Halen, God bless you soul, like probably an amazing Maestro of guitar. was guilty of having a pretty bad at one point. I don't think a

Wayne:

lot of people escaped it. I'd like to see somebody take on the mentor and have someone else Scott Adkins, who I bring up quite early in some kind of action film now because

Trev:

I would like that. Oh, yeah, go back. I think that's really one of the 80s because you've always been the 80s action here. Action Hero. Take it right back. A do like a headline. Yeah. Because I kind of have real tribute to those kind of movies. And you know, the full thing wear cowboy boots, leather padded jacket, and do the mallet scarf.

Wayne:

That's all I guarantee you, Trevor. Trevor, be watching. I'm watching you will be bought that movie, and I will buy it.

Trev:

So you got to

Wayne:

stop with what you had before. That's enough about that. But yeah, so thanks for that trip, I think. I think we've covered a lot of ground in Malibu. And it's not a fishing channel. So you know, it's about the hair. Job. So getting on a more serious note. So like ourselves, we're getting a bit older now. Yeah. And the hairs starting to dissipate. Is that a good word for

Trev:

any any words? for it?

Wayne:

We've used all up already. Yeah, it's spinning out a bit. You know, and I find it quite I found it quite distressing when I first realized and I know you did, and I think we're at similar level was always

Trev:

nice if you ever if you think I'm not the guy in that ball, go and stand in the post office. Yeah. I first noticed especially this time of year if you're waiting for a pass or there's a Christmas present camera look at the security camera. I think I might go in bold. That was the first time I know that the the litmus test, your cameras are awful for picking it out. Because the lighting is so light for escalators as well. You know, you said those kind of Yes. I mean, you're on the air. Yes. Yeah. If you're gonna doubt the album, right? I can't see it. But this shows

Wayne:

how much it affects your life, doesn't it? No, we're both saying the same thing here. And it's stress. It causes you when you look at that video and you you can see it and I found that quite distressing. And then you start painting and then you forget about it for some time. And no one's ever a couple of people said to me when you do a taller than me and looking down. You're going to fit that. What do you think? I don't know.

Trev:

I have to point you out.

Wayne:

I know why. I wouldn't do it and we talk about it.

Trev:

But why would you tell someone that? Why would you do that? Yeah,

Wayne:

I never saw people I don't like

Trev:

just got Oh, you're fat? Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. And you're, you're a charmer. Thanks for that.

Wayne:

Exactly. So he's, you know, it's hard enough to come to terms with anyway and it pops into your head. But no one's ever said no one. We've been out we've been out to lots of different feeds. No one's ever said Oh, you slap it or something like that to make you anything I've been I've had to sort of fit in here for about eight nine years now.

Trev:

I first noticed it was when I was 40

Wayne:

when he was 40 Yeah, I know what was it that camera in the post

Trev:

office. It was my was my wedding photo of all the things I've ordered I think you get by and they want massive wedding flowers and all these great things but they were nice ones. And I still like kind of long longer shared in the core of Bob kind of corrosion or conform a lead singer pepper cane and he awful awful you scored and I had that. And like I was like Oh, what's that? I was great. And then I I had a lot of ponytail at work. I'd like a little jazz ponytail. You know the little one And then it's at the top and awful Oh yeah, I thought that actually cutting my hair off would be like a real major thing but it wasn't I just went to begin NACA and you just within a party Tony just snipped it off and just you

Wayne:

you always knew you was going to use it years ago I remember when we were sitting in a pub in I think we were about 25 years old. We used to do sort of a world after after work and you said you said was if my hair goes thinner and as I get older I'm just gonna cut my hair shorter and shorter and you use David Seaman as an example of how your hair was gonna go as much as you hate Arsenal is it I suppose he was a good example and you did kind of follow that example you go that way

Trev:

yeah yeah, I couldn't go back if I don't get me wrong. I listened to a lot of rock country rock and southern rock and guys in these bands on blackberry smoke I've got really epic long hair and i love it i think is amazing. But I couldn't go back I had my when I see guys with long hair. I'm like is really cool. But for me now that that bits done, I think James Hetfield said that he you know, he had long hair and he cut it off. And he said, that was big, then this is me now and that's how I feel about it.

Wayne:

Yeah, exactly. You know, you know, when it's good, it's good to know when it's the right time to do it. Yeah. And even though there's no rules, no one's telling you, you have to do that. It's good to kind of evolve. Try something Yeah, you're comfortable. You got to be comfortable with yourself. So I I'll be honest, I am you know, I'm trying to experiment. I don't expect to you know, I'm ready to shave. I've gone very short with my hair again, because I'm getting filtered. And I'm experimenting with the big free basically that they recommend for keeping your hair which is a medic, medicine called Propecia, finasteride? No, no, it's a proper medication, you have to get prescription and that keeps your hair then you've got minoxidil, which grows hair, as is clinically proven to grow hair. These are quite expensive. These things. Yeah. And you put your hair twice a day. And the third one is the shampoos that I

Trev:

use in the coffee base was a German. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing I use as well, but bizarrely enough is good for your nails as well. Is that biotin tablets? Yes, yeah. I've not really noticed any kind of difference by hair. I haven't even tried to beat my nails grow like nuts.

Wayne:

Yeah, mine. Do I have to cut them every day? Yeah, that's fine. But that's also protein. Yeah, another protein. We're

Trev:

definitely with one thing I can't. I can't bear. I must admit, that's not stopping me at all. It will never nails CMP See, and fellas, we've long nails unless you're

Wayne:

maybe we'll bring that up in the actual grooming one. See if people do have any reason for it. Yeah. So just in summary, true. I mean, I can't say is it cool to have a bald head or is it cool to is I mean, it is what it is. I mean, there's cool guys, okay, we've got dates, you know what you've got, if you've got a try at least make an effort with it. Don't try and comb it over on her if it's really bad. So I had a bit of a comb over went live recently. I cut my hair shorter. But not not Bobby Charlton style.

Trev:

Steel is exactly that fine. The thing is I would I don't know what the percentage is but it must affect 80% of made not Yeah, by our age difference. Yeah, cuz you forget you kind of forget that. You're 50 and you think Well, I've lived their best years. Oh, not saying I'm

Wayne:

sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, but yeah,

Trev:

but yeah, baby I hear is live their best years. Yes.

Wayne:

I think that's what you're saying. And I've grown you grow into yourself. I think people this is me being honest. I think people look silly. I know people don't got all their hair hair our age. And they look weird. Like some kind of monkey. I think you grow as a monkey hair. So it's like, but I think it looks weird. I think as you grow older, you're meant to lose you and it's part of how you grow into yourself. And as long as you're still grew, you know, cotton

Trev:

and all that can you kind of do because there's so many decent sort of hair things. Like they were just gel back in a day for us. But now there is there's wax. Exactly.

Wayne:

Clay there's thickening agents, guys. Yeah, I use all of them. You know, I

Trev:

used to go. I used to I use like a Yeah, I kind of have a matte one to kind of make it look a bit thicker and then I use like a kind of not a wetlook one but like a sort of greasy look. One sec is a bit machine. Yeah. So

Wayne:

give to a machine. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I have to fit in my hair because it's been obviously and I use clay that does that and it looks right now I've got my hair short. happy with it again. So I'll get hopefully we'll get number five.

Trev:

We've still we've here so I have my hairstyle. I've gone over to the side Polly, haven't I now

Wayne:

I haven't seen you because we've been

Trev:

they probably doesn't really notice that much because he's not used to have a middle pipe.

Wayne:

That's a good thing in a sense, because it means that you blend it into your style

Trev:

fellows to have side parties now, isn't it? That kind of Yeah, that's what I yeah, but I've

Wayne:

got a bit shorter again. But but to summarize, I think that if you're going gray, don't you know, unless you subtly managed to color it without people noticing. Don't just go from white to brown overnight. It's not cool.

Trev:

Use Reed Richards at the Fantastic Four is your Yes. He's supposed to be the man on the planet. And he's got these two grey stripes on the side of his hair that kind of symbolize that symbolize that intelligence. So use that. Yes.

Wayne:

Yeah. use that as a benchmark. Try to go gray gracefully. I don't think there's anything to be embarrassed about going gray. I know there's, I've got gray hair. So I would say that interview. You're still you're still Brown. So yeah, I don't think there is I didn't cause me any disgust advance.

Trev:

I like it and you like it? And yeah. So, you know,

Wayne:

don't don't worry about things like that. Obviously, we know it's distressing. If you if your hairs feeling we got that problem. It's distressing. But just you still groom the same way you cut your hair. But let me be confident it's confidence that

Trev:

make something of it. Yeah, make some make some something, do something. Have it have a style that suits that? Whatever, whatever point of hair, you're at your age, have a style that suits that.

Wayne:

Yeah, exactly. And be confident own it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So So basically, I think that sums up today's episode. I think we've covered everything we need to if you want to have a bit of fun, please go to www dot h m l podcast.com. trefl. upload a photo of is Brian Bosworth for comparison.

Trev:

aspiring to be my benchmark.

Wayne:

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Trev:

Again. It's been very good again, and we'll see you on the next one. Bye Bye.

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