May 16, 2021

An Artists Life


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intro:

You're listening to a mid life less ordinary, the weekly podcast giving you the lowdown on becoming a cool older dude. The good times are not a faded memory, it's time to start living them again. And here are your hosts Wayne and Trev.

Wayne:

Hello everyone and welcome back to a midlife less ordinary. And today's title is artists life. Can you tell what it is yet? Now I'll let Trevor who's always here. I'm Wayne, by the way, if you didn't know that already, and trebs here with his charcoal. He's

Trev:

about to put my vocal talents on the canvas.

Wayne:

Yes, exactly. Is because today, as you can probably guess he's all about we've got we've managed to secure an artist who's based in Leon see in Essex. It's got some great work. We will give you the links to his work later. Yeah, he's coming on to just tell us about the art scene, how to support your local artists trade. What do you think about art in general? And personally?

Trev:

I it's funny with art because I really like feel like I like a lot of our I'm a big Banksy fan, big Shepard Fairey fan. I like color street graffiti kind of stuff. But I'm kind of cut between the two because I don't. I didn't. The abstract stuff. I don't see a lot in it. I'm like, Whoa, what's that? I don't really understand why that guy cut the sheep off and put him in grazing. Not what was that about? But like real kind of? Yeah, I feel I feel like I appreciate it without being too into it.

Unknown:

Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm

Wayne:

the same as you. I can appreciate you, sir. As we know, art is subjective. And obviously, value appears over time. And it depends on how the artist is well known basically, isn't it? and historic significance, but I like some of the different art because if you have a portrait of King Henry on the wall, I mean, it's not very original is it? I mean, like to have the original, obviously, but from the National Portrait Gallery, but it's not very original. So I like saying this a bit out there a bit not. So they'll give me nightmares, particularly, but we do know somebody could do that for us. But

Trev:

yeah, because I come from a comic background. I've always been quite visually turned on.

Wayne:

Remember, this is about our truth not know where you're going with this? Yes, I've

Trev:

always been quite thought visually into stuff. So. But with I think there's well, being a kind of a bit of a layman to the art world. It's not one of those. Sometimes it feels like one of those closed circuit things where you feel like you're not cool enough to go an art gallery, or you're not. Does that make sense? You feel like Yeah,

Wayne:

exactly. You should be more accessible. And this is what we're hoping to get out of today's episode is

Trev:

talking to AMD, we'll get the out that we can be a lot more accessible and it's not exclusive.

Wayne:

You know, it's not it's not for just people in central London who just want to, you know, visit

Trev:

everyday people and

Wayne:

we've been to a few exhibitions for people we know. And I've really enjoyed it to be fair. So yeah, today's artists that we've managed to secure is Andy downs. He's got a website, Andy downs, art.co.uk. He's, he's on Instagram. Just type in his name. We'll put some links in on the website, obviously. Check out his work. It's great.

Unknown:

He's already like a big fan of it. Yeah, exactly.

Wayne:

Which is why we try to secure him today. So yeah, what do you know about Andy Tripp?

Trev:

Again, he's a really great localized he doesn't really different staff. It's quite up to the minute without it being so kind of up to the minute you don't understand it. Again, it's a real nice mix of contemporary and for every man got great use of color so portrayed artist. Yeah. Is that Yeah, yeah. Contemporary and every man. I like to see your professional career. And I'm talking about

Wayne:

Yeah, you've been you've been you've been watching Lovejoy again or something unusual trying to pick up

Trev:

the big rage with Bob Mortimer is Lovejoy fire up. Your new

Wayne:

you'd have a reference somewhere to it.

Trev:

Yeah.

Wayne:

So with no further ado, Andy, will introduce Andy is is to just talk about his life as an artist and hopefully encourage some of you to support your local art scene and everything. So here we go. Thanks for joining us today, Andy. And I just like to ask you as a first question, basically, how did you start in the art world was it something you learn a score was you an artist You know straight straight out the door kind of thing. How did you start basically

Andy:

I think the reason I started as a good artist in school my dad is a good artist but he never took it anywhere. And I was at school and thinking right this is my my thing in life I'm doing a fantastic global artist. And then because I had great respect for my mom and dad, they sort of put me off a bit they're going down the roads and didn't make any money, things like that. So I joined the army basically now my life took a different route so why why

Trev:

why one into the spectrum to the other. Hold on like,

Andy:

yeah,

Trev:

Christy dandy.

Andy:

I'm a Colchester boy anyway so obviously I'm surrounded by forces but I just needed to get out of there and I couldn't see a way to to leave the army seems a sensible thing to do because you know, a young lad is coming around it gives you a bit of stability in life a bit structure and mainly got me out of Colchester, which is what I want.

Trev:

Yeah, did you? Did you still do any art when you're in the army? Did you still order me

Andy:

all my life or sort of doodles but never really gone into major pitches. I think I've spent the last 30 years sort of doing cartoons really alternately used in cartoons. And just click doodles sketches somebody think of that but never never got heavily into oil paints or anything like that. I've always been interested. I'm very visual person. I can't get my head into a book in in about 10 minutes into the book, I'll fall asleep

Unknown:

like us all. Thanks for this. One can't even read

Wayne:

jack and john books or whatever they're called.

Andy:

I can certainly make sure you're not a comic or something like that. I can. I can spend hours rifling the pages of those. Say next word blind after a while,

Unknown:

which was your base? Sorry. I'll

Wayne:

go back to that because obviously I've never done my research properly because I try and make it you know, very research show but we didn't know you was in the army obviously. Was you basically just a barracks with you?

Trev:

This is just a cover. Yeah. I've covered it live on you heard it first on IML. Oh,

Wayne:

say no more. It's top secret, as I said

Andy:

is certainly important maritime marks you know, it's basically in Dr. Stevens or unloaded the boats. Guys are the Galahad in the chest and you know, the ones in the fall in the Falklands who got the hell blown out of the harbor? I work for them. Not at that time, though, because I'm not old enough.

Wayne:

Would you like an engineer then? Or do you?

Andy:

stevedore So, in civilian role, I'd be at Felixstowe ports in the front loading loading ships and things like that.

Wayne:

Well, no, sorry. I've diversified they're totally so yeah.

Trev:

strange enough. Why now you've said that you've actually virtually answered one of my questions, because I've been asked and if you went to sort of art school, but obviously you're in the army then so you didn't or did you? Did you follow it up after the army and do Was there

Andy:

ydymno now came out, the army went into the motor trade, went away in the motor trade for about 15 years from car Valletta up to be the principal. So I was managing car dealers, it's basically the Honda and Mitsubishi and things like that. And then, and then retrained as a plumber, when I had my daughter, because I was spending Far, far too much time at work. So I thought, you know, the way that I can move forward is to be my own boss, and retrained as a plumber, to fit back into the last 12 years. And then, about five, six years ago, aided my marriage, and instead of going on hard drugs and drinking the life out myself, I turned back to wine. Wine,

Wayne:

it sounds great.

Andy:

Always give a passion, or it's been my passion, but yeah,

Trev:

I'm gonna say what was your inspiration for it? Andy, what do you do you look at stuff and think that would make a really good piece of art or would that would make a really good painting or that subject would be you know, wait, wait, where'd you take it? Or did you just come to us just just sit on the toilet and think I'm gonna do that. Have you seen what I do?

Andy:

When when I was a kid, I was a victim of watching far too much TV? I think so.

Wayne:

Listen to this week's episode.

Andy:

Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm very visual, I must have spent so many hours in front of the TV. Oh, but, you know, back to the features Indiana Jones or the aliens, and things like that. I just, I've always been interested in, in model makings of airbrushing. You know, sci fi, anything that expands the mind really without drugs. I just I just enjoy that creativity so much. I'm sort of infected by it.

Wayne:

You said about that. And you you've actually opened up a question that would I've never thought of before. But you said about drugs? And then an artist? I'm not obviously, obviously, you've said you've stayed away from that to say, but the people that do take certain mind altering substances? Yeah. Did they? Did they produce a different kind of art? Or is can it be? Is it always abstract or something? Or is it just an inspiration?

Andy:

I think it depends on your creativity. Really? I mean, I know, artists and all sorts of journalism. And, you know, they, they they partake in recreation substances, should we say and they will produce some port traits to bonkers. dmtf? No, it just depends on the person, they create a vision really. Artists always say this about artists, is what they put down really is their voice, their vision, and their view of the world. You know, because all our brains work in different ways. Some, some people look for football, some people look for girls, some people look for both

Trev:

in two centers.

Andy:

I just think it's a case of what what you put into paper really is what you want to show the world is sort of going on inside to a certain degree. Yeah.

Wayne:

expression. What would you describe your art? And how would you describe it?

Andy:

Loud and colorful, and usually with some kind of fun element element to it, either. You know, it's actually written in there or it's got color that sort of can make you smile. You know if that makes sense. I'm not very good at describing the work

Trev:

that you do my CV for me, Andy, because that sounds like he could open a few doors for me.

Andy:

I love working on my own. So maybe maybe one day

Trev:

market there. Might you have got a market there?

Andy:

Yeah. Is it

Wayne:

mostly about a time Andy and I, you know, he's finding the time to pick out You said you having a family and and working? Does that mean that art goes on the on the backburner? Basically?

Andy:

Oh, totally. Yeah, I was in a family with multiple children and adults and, you know, mortgage and all that. And then, and then after we separated and went our merry way, the the responsibilities lessened to a certain degree, you know, it's just a little time to think, you know, come on, take me to my student and all this sort of stuff. It just, it just ruins two hours of your evening.

Trev:

widen it. And to be honest,

Andy:

yeah, and I think that it does sound selfish to degree, however. So some of the most successful artists, you know, they spend most of their time on their own, because you need those hours to come up with the ideas and then put them to paper, you know, or to cameras or whatever you want to do.

Trev:

Your own dream, and you haven't Yeah, that's the thing. And as you say, it sounds selfish. I don't think it is at all. I just think if you only get one life, so you've got to feel like you've got to follow that. If you don't get it, it could be wasted. You know,

Andy:

there's a big part of my mentor really harping back to my father, they were lost back in November, he, he had passed away, and he's a fantastic artist, and then he never took it anywhere. You know, he'd sit down with me when I was a kid and say there, you know, George bird wherever is contributing to nature. And I'd be amazed how quickly we get something down. And then he didn't go anywhere with it. And then when he retired, he was just on the brink of getting outside with so he so he didn't even use his downtime after his retirement to sort of pick up where he left off really, and, and I think part of my driving force since I left my ex is to catch up on my last my last year's really getting stuff down and getting ideas down and yeah, and just trying to inspire It

Trev:

really is. Yeah. That's what they need to do that. You really do like, you know, and you've also

Wayne:

summed up that there is obviously some kind of there is an element of nature, hereditary in us in, in art, because obviously your father could express himself through art and you follow through and I think that's the same with with other people. We know they've got other family members who are good artware Trevor and myself can't even draw a stick man, right? We are not

Unknown:

that bad actually wine yourself. Oh, it's not that bad. To be

Wayne:

I suppose somebody might like your stick, man. I don't know. But it's subjective. But

Unknown:

everyone's a critic and they NDC everyone.

Wayne:

Do you think people can can learn to be a good artist? And or do you have to have that kind of just inspiration from within literally,

Andy:

I think if any of you admit a plaster, monster plaster at work, we've got to remember that a plaster never used to know how to plaster until he saved quite a few hours, making mistakes until he actually got it. Right. And, and I think, I think that carries over with absolutely anything you do in life, I think, if you're trying to make, I think I was one of the comedians, I think it might have been Joe Rogan, interviewing somebody on his podcast, and they're right, and what they said, and they, they sort of painted that you have to do 10 years in a circuit before you start to reap the rewards of it. And I've kind of got that in my head about, that's where I'm going with my work, give, give myself a 10 year period of learning, then, hopefully, by that point, you know, I'll ever people have sort of recognized my name, and I'll be in different areas and things like that. And then it will start to sort of people start to look for me, rather than me reaching out to people going, Oh,

Unknown:

man, did you ever look

Trev:

at some of your PCs, and when you've done them, you're so happy with it, that is great, I really have excelled. And then you sell it or whatever you do with it, and then look back at you in two years time and go, what was I thinking? What can I do there? I already do find you. You're happy with all of it for most of the time?

Andy:

What? Can I really answer that, honestly, because I might not sell any more art from

Trev:

St. Paul wasn't keen on that. And somebody bought

Wayne:

more from a personal perspective. Because he's subjective, isn't it? Trouble even though you're horrible. Yeah,

Andy:

I, I tell you, what I find is I, when I start any piece, I kind of put a few hours into it. And then I take some photographs of it, and then I walk away from it. And then what I look at the photographs of it, and then I'll look at either the donor subjects or the photos I've taken to the figure that I'm painting, and then my brain will start to tell me what's wrong with it. And then the second thing, the second thing, I'll go back to a canvas, and then the campus, I'll know immediately what I need to change. Immediately. Yes, you're quite a word processor. That's brilliant. Totally, totally. When I'm up yonder, these changing the tap or something. And I'm just waiting to see if there's any leaks, and I'll pull out the phone and I've looked at the painting, and I'll start to make mental notes about you know, God, His eyes in the wrong place, or for too long or whatever. But it's a constant thing of me when I start a painting, it's always with me until I think it's resolved. And

Trev:

it's part of you is, did you feel like he's part of you kind of thing? Of course, is, yeah,

Andy:

it's part of my creative, creative vision. I'm never happy with any of my work if I'm honest. Because as you get older and you get more skilled and more competent, then obviously you change. And, and then you know, where people like your pieces, because you're so involved in that piece of art, you don't really see it for what it is. It's like, how can outside but if you're tiling inside the whole bathroom, the customer comes in and says, Oh, it's fabulous. And then you think Well, actually, that one's slightly out. And that could have been better. And all that sort of thing is self

Trev:

critical. Self Yeah. Self critical. That's the thing, which is a good thing, I think, isn't it? Because you're always striving to become better. Yeah, that is Yeah, is Grace is

Wayne:

there's other things like that as well. I was thinking as you were saying that like with regard to the workflow that sometimes when you're doing so, I mean, it might be as basic as a computer game or or or jigsaw puzzle or something and you're doing I'm talking from a layman's term here, but you can't say the word food at Gary, Gary, thanks Drew. Sometimes you can't see the wood from the tree so you have to go away from it and then you come back the next day and then you see what you was missing straightaway is that the same with your art you kind of sometimes it's best to get what get away and come back to it.

Andy:

I've painted images and so yeah, that's really good complete next one of golf and for caught the eye is an inch higher than the other eye.

Unknown:

Looks like me.

Andy:

Well, most people's eyes are slightly higher than one line, you

Trev:

should get that done, but perhaps I won't be so embarrassed to go out with him

Wayne:

if we go the troops out now. This is supposed to be about art, not character assassination. Physical assassination. So

Andy:

on that note, you do get so invested sometimes. Yeah, you cannot see the wood for the trees for sure. Well, I can't anyway.

Wayne:

No, yes. It's nice to know in a way that because that's something I think we all experience and and obviously something you're passionate about, rather than just something you spend some time. It's sometimes I think we just we feel like we should just be able to look at it and go, you know, that's what's wrong. But we all need to walk away sometimes come back. And I think we can put that with a lot to do with our lives. We can all go on being too philosophical. Now. Trevor's gonna say, check in check out Sigmund Freud. Yeah.

Trev:

trippy talk on monkey. Wisdom.

Wayne:

I've been inspired by an artist to use to speak into trivia.

Andy:

To try and sell it. I'm

Wayne:

so sorry. No, I was just gonna say so. Where, where you're based obviously in in Essex, and is the scene kind of vibrant, the art scene.

Andy:

Massive. This is like everything else. In the last sort of 10 years, there's been an explosion of musical TV programs and art TV programs. And that's just because there's just so many more people doing it now. Instagram is full of amazing and challenging artists, you know, and Facebook and wherever you say this, just, it just seems to have opened up a plethora of an abundance of creative talent, you know, and Leon Fay and Southend they just this is an amazing hub. I mean, I back in the days, it was a hub for I think it's VW lovers when it originally there was lots of big VW seating. Yeah, well,

Trev:

yeah, we still own a couple of VW. So yeah, there's still a big car.

Andy:

And then that, you know, that along with the music scene, and then the art scene, so came a hand in hand with it, and it sort of still carried through here. But you know, my Facebook full of about 300 people on my Facebook, which will likely

Trev:

blossom, you know that that is great. It does. It makes you quite proud of this area, you know, to be like to hear that, if that makes sense.

Andy:

slacked off for like clubs and stuff.

Trev:

Yeah, exactly. That's nice. Be nice talking to local Shane Andy. And I'm a massive fan of you. Because I follow you on social media. And I know, I know and other artists that you know, these days Dave, Dave never would have never. And I follow him as well. And I think he's great as well. What I like about the local scene, especially YouTube guys, is you're both very passionate about it and you're both so different. And I believe you get on quite well anyway down you dive in yourself.

Andy:

No. Yeah, we

Trev:

what we really want to bring Dave on. And hopefully we will we can work that out. But it does seem in the local, as you say. It's a really good atmosphere for ice around here. What I like about is none of you guys seem the same. It's very diverse around here. There's no kind of following one thing you think is that true? Do you think or is it just me being an educator and not seeing it?

Andy:

And I think it's an outside looking in because I think like with every with every cold not cold but with every Yeah, every scene you kind of get overlapping circles if you know i mean you know the art liliaceae for instance has got its own sort of groups within groups. Although we're all on the at the Art trail, you know, and it's not literally bed during bed we'll have rice and they sort of do a similar type of work. Can you know there's nothing wrong with that? I mean, I think it's fantastic. And so the thing about the south end district area is the sheer volume of different artists that we've got here you know, and, and that carries over from everything to sculpture, photography, this is just so packed with different people dying to be heard. And that and that that is the that's the the worst thing about being an artist is trying to get yourself known. Out of area Yeah,

Trev:

I can imagine. So I know within the art trail because I believe I went and saw some of your art you had your little mini exhibition in like a tattoo studio, didn't you?

Andy:

Yeah, it's a studio and coffee shop on the road.

Trev:

Right okay. I think that's a good thing when you you guys are crossing over with the tattoo culture as well because that gets you noticed, isn't it?

Andy:

Oh, big time and that's an art form in itself

Trev:

you know? He's Yes. Yeah, obviously I've I've got a few tattoos I know quite a couple other local artists Oh, wow wise. And I think yeah, that again that's another form of expression I think you can all you guys can get together and really get something out of it. I think that's a great thing. Totally do

Andy:

I think all the arts across over anyway I mean, when I you know the studio I have you also been to an open or not, they always have a local musician. Play on the day where we have an open day cuz I just think it goes hand in hand.

Unknown:

Definitely. Definitely,

Andy:

you know, creates an atmosphere.

Wayne:

I've been with trip to a few days, said and they've been quite enjoyable. Actually, Trevor really enjoyed it.

Trev:

Yeah, they are. They were good nights, to be honest. Yeah. Andy, could you want to tell us where you're, you're kind of art can be seen in, in South End and in Essex and online. And our lawyer? Yeah.

Andy:

Yeah, I've run a little studio called the little known studio, which is on the Lee Raven Leland fee. You have to sort of hunt for it to find it, which I kinda like to do on a TV but it's on that it's on the main road anyway. And then is your place is really Facebook. And anything if you hashtag Andy downs are you can find me on Facebook or Instagram or the little known studios got its own Instagram page as well. which I'd love to see more people on so you can promote the the art scene in the area,

Trev:

you will leave all the links on on here. So you can you can see you and dive. Because we really want to be getting you because you know you guys are so talented. We want to get you out there and get people seeing your art because that's what it's about. You know, there's no money changing it so

Andy:

well, that's the thing with social media, it's so hard to get your work out there now because it restricts the amount of people that see your story feed Anyway, you know, if you've got 350 friends, you'll only show about 40 of them on Facebook, Instagram nine times out of 10 they'll shadow ban you for using the wrong hashtags and then you'll end up coming across as spam. So you go nowhere with that. And then you know you might have 1500 followers and then you'll get like 20 likes or likes on some Yeah, this is such frustration because he's you know i watch TV and then you'll see you see a drone flying over Mexico City and then I think hang on I don't know if I've got any follows Mexico How do I get that reach?

Trev:

How'd you get there? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Wayne:

Well, I'll tell you how you can get there region D because you're not anybody until you've played our weekly quiz which is called test the guess. Are you happy to have a go at that? Yeah.

Unknown:

Well, here's our

Wayne:

little jingle for testing. Testing. Testing, testing. New off Andy.

Trev:

How much money we had to spend a knockin? remortgage my house to get that jingle is one pound 50.

Wayne:

But it's subjective. So it's not as though this isn't serious. And because these subjects are so bad, you know, we're not we're just they're very vast. They're more to have fun and make fun of Trevor really more than anything else. So the first question to to you, and if you don't mind, named the artist famed for painting the Sistine Chapel ceiling. Do you want the options?

Andy:

Gone.

Wayne:

It can be Leonardo. It can be Raphael. It could be Donatella. It could be Michelangelo

Andy:

Michelangelo

Wayne:

I just love it because it's Teenage Mutant Ninja. Well done yeah, so next one for you Trevor. This hope you get this one here we go.

Unknown:

No, No it isn't. century x impression. No, I'm

Wayne:

not like you. My bed, not literally my bed. My bed was exhibited at the Tate Gallery in 1999 and consisted of a bed with bedroom objects in an object state. Who was the artist? Do you want the options? Was it Bob Carol J. Tony Hart, Richard constable or Tracy emin?

Unknown:

Tracy. I mean, it's got

Wayne:

to be Bob Carol. Jeez.

Unknown:

familiar with it. Horrible silence silence.

Wayne:

My next question to you. The tight is a network of four art museums. Two are based in London. Give the other two English locations. Is it Bristol and Gloucester? Manchester and Leeds? Lincoln and Birmingham or Liverpool and St. Ives in Cornwall

Unknown:

Liverpool. This man knows his stuff.

Trev:

Gloucester Is that like a mic of pickle? Or did you just know that they're

Wayne:

real places to have? I know you've never left South Bend ever in your whole life. But they really

Trev:

just thought you might get them together. They sounded like off of a pickle jar or something.

Wayne:

Before he was a building society or something? Yeah.

Trev:

All the money from these paintings are in the Bristol and Gloucester

Wayne:

that would be a good night. You just like the word Bristol? Really? But it's

Trev:

been a big fan of Bristol. Yeah,

Wayne:

there we go. There it goes. The money shops right. Next one to trip we're not going to forget is your turn. What's the well known name for a painting on a freshly plastered wall? Is it less scope?

Unknown:

Is it Tesco?

Wayne:

Or is it calcium sulfate rendering. Once the well known name for painting on a freshly plastered wall, is it less go? Is it Tesco? Is it fresco or is it calcium sulfate rendering?

Trev:

alesco Oh, good.

Wayne:

I don't know if you're doing it for comedy effect or the I don't know. Andy, can you do this? Can you answer this one? I can't believe the ones I made up eventually caught you out. calcium sulfate render and he's more of a tiling kind of that's a good one. Yes. Good. I

Trev:

like that. That's a word fresco was more of a kind of coffee flight. I don't drink coffee

Wayne:

was well done. And

Trev:

because I actually am.

Wayne:

And I don't think you'll have any problem. This is the last question is to you. And this is the last one. You'll be glad to hear. Which painting was stolen from the National Gallery in Oslo in 1994. And held to ransom for $1 million. And who was the artist? Oh no. Don't say you don't need to know who the artist was. Sorry. That's a was it. The Scream? Was it Mona Lisa. Was it girl with a Pearl Earring? No, not true. That trip. And was it the creation of Adam? I think that's what's known in the in the business as a full house. Well done. Well done. Good show.

Trev:

We got one more question for Andy. And this isn't actually isn't a lot of will. Questions more than not a bad opinion. More four chairs. Which one will you have bigger fan of?

Andy:

well as in tears out of North. Yes.

Wayne:

Yes. He knows. Yeah. Cool.

Trev:

Good. Yeah. See? Yeah,

Unknown:

yeah.

Wayne:

That's a clap for that.

Trev:

was a good one. Are you done? Yeah, exactly. I was already talking about how to get it off. But I'm glad you met. I'm glad you went there.

Wayne:

And you just to summarize on them, you know, coming off of that, that higher from the the quiz is, just to summarize, I know, you're not going to come down anytime soon.

Unknown:

Don't worry about

Wayne:

where can where can? Where would you suggest I know somebody myself actually, who's asked me to ask somebody who's already, you know, exhibiting and everything I know, a local artist who is very talented. And he's not very good with social media or anything. He said, How do I where do I start with, with kind of sort of getting my art out there? What would you say to them to him?

Andy:

I would, I would say, attend to every art show you can and just try and network as much as possible. But if you're not, if you're not on social media, then put the legwork in and just just old school, try and talk to people. That's that's all you can do. sip

Wayne:

is worth if say, somebody volunteered to do it for him. And you'd still say that you're having an Instagram account or something, he's definitely something you should look into.

Andy:

My best advice from anybody for anybody is to remember the fact that people deal with people. And you can be the best artist in the world. But if you're a bit of an artist, people, possibly or probably more likely won't buy your art. But a lot of people buy in, they buy into the artists themselves rather than just the art piece. Does

Unknown:

that make sense? Yeah, so

Trev:

basically, a podcast won't really go anywhere. Because why in such an ass

Wayne:

never gonna be the Joe Rogan.

Trev:

It has brilliant advice. And he that's very true. I think people do. You do tend to favor people that are decent focus. Yeah, you know, you get this

Wayne:

you garner the support in the first place, don't you to get you somewhere. And because these beds, like Yeah, exactly.

Andy:

I mean, just on the face of entry, you know, you get a lot of galleries and just white wall galleries, piece of art standing there. In a new guy. Oh, yeah, that's nice. And then you move on. But if you've got the artist sitting there, and they'll talk about a piece of art, suddenly you're buying into that person rather than just the image on the wall. And then, and then when you come away from it, you can tell your friends I spoke to the artist is really nice. It's on he did this and that other day, you get all this background I literally wouldn't get normally. And yeah, and that is key, because we all buy from people at the end of the day.

Wayne:

That's it you spot on there, Andy, because this is the same with the podcast. And if people are all jokes to one site, you know, when people comment on it, they they often say you know, it's because I like the people that are presenting not necessarily me. That's obviously true. But I'm gonna

Unknown:

say, yeah, we've got more than two listeners then because we're not. We're not that popular.

Wayne:

subjective drivers like the art. Yeah, but no, that's brilliant advice. Yeah, I did. We're gonna put all your links on the link, because your work is I've had a look myself and it's very impressive.

Trev:

Like Dave and Yeovil. Andy, they really have Yeah,

Wayne:

they support your local artists.

Trev:

They're like little secrets that need to be pushed out and get out there. Yeah, brilliant. Yeah. Lovely.

Wayne:

Thanks for joining us today, Andy.

Andy:

Yeah.

Wayne:

Well, after listening to Andy, I feel like I could splash the ceiling. trif What do you think? Yeah. Oh, no, I know where your mind is going.

Trev:

Well, I'm actually be on Amazon and bought myself a little paint set. So

Wayne:

it's inspired you

Trev:

talented enough? I couldn't I was looking for talent on Amazon. And I couldn't find it. But what I'm just gonna go with, you know,

Wayne:

when the last time I told somebody I was gonna go and do some painting. They started whistling in the theme tune from brush strokes. I was like, Yeah, thanks for that.

Unknown:

You and your age. We finished that episode.

Trev:

We've just had a very very depth conversation with a very talented guy. Yeah. And you're talking about how you CV again,

Wayne:

wrong episode. Sorry, people.

Trev:

Yeah. What AMD come across very well. Really scary. Locky really supports in local scene.

Wayne:

It's a call in isn't it as well. You could tell it's a calling

Trev:

isn't from AMD, which I really liked. Is he comes across as though he there's no snobbery in it, that i think that's that's what is brilliant about local, the local scene that you know, you You could walk into his gallery, and you wouldn't get some like guy and a bear eye looking at you like, yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't be like, oh, Betty, invited it'd be really interested in showing you their MPC, you know what's going on? And I think that's what, that's what art needs, because I think these for your normal people, I think it's quite misunderstood. It's only and I'll keep going back to that, because that's how I feel about it. You know, if I, would you feel comfortable walking in, and if you hadn't spoke to him, they know,

Wayne:

I know what you're saying. We've been before a lot, we said, and I was only because we knew some of the people that were exhibiting, and I felt comfortable, because you were doing and but after listening to Andy, I think he's very accessible, I would encourage people to check out your local art scene. And if there's an exhibition go along, there's usually a drink to go and it's really social walk around, because I might have said it before, but people are buying art and prints from from their local sort of shade, you know, like the DIY store, so I go and buy a piece of art.

Unknown:

isn't that expensive? Okay, Honey, let's just go down the range and pick a color photo

Wayne:

of the guys on the Brooklyn Bridge or wherever it is hanging off with their lunch.

Trev:

You could easily go and get

Wayne:

an original original piece of art makes you feel special. Yeah.

Unknown:

Yeah. And to be honest, these guys need that support as well. Don't know exactly, yeah,

Wayne:

keep your local economy going.

Trev:

If you get if you walk in someone's house, like Oh, that's a nice plate. Actually. It's an original. Yeah,

Wayne:

it's a talking piece.

Unknown:

I've got that from the

Wayne:

Harry Potter. Yeah, I know. Sorry, man. Now, I've said this, this is a talking piece, isn't it? And then I thought I'll put some people might think I mean, like the talking paintings in Harry Potter, but maybe there was just a big old French was like hanging out of it. Like just, you know, sort of taking Vicar of Dibley. Don't even go there yet. But, but yeah, I think we'll leave all the links to Andy's are on the website on Instagram. But we would encourage you and say this is Trev and myself, and you know how uncultured we are. But we enjoy the art scene. And I would really encourage you to go and check out your local art scene support them. These guys put a lot of hard work into it. And it really gives you areas a cultural aspect to the local vicinity.

Trev:

It's really what you want.

Wayne:

So yeah, thanks, Andy, for that. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you. And thank you guys, for listening. As always, the website's www.am ello podcast.com. Please leave us a review. Leave us some obese,

Andy:

to be honest,

Trev:

before we go very,

Unknown:

very quickly.

Trev:

If you are an aspiring artist, send us some of your stuff in

Wayne:

Yeah, we'll try and

Trev:

put it on the site and have a look and show people yeah, good trip. Yeah.

Wayne:

That'd be cool. Yeah, very good. Now, thanks, everyone, for listening as always, and we'll see you on the next one.

Unknown:

Cheers trip. See ya.

Andy Downes

Guest

Andy Downes, an extremely talented portrait artist from "The Little Known Studio" in Leigh on Sea.