May 23, 2021

All About Vaping: A Breath Of Fresh Air


Date: 23rd May 2021

Name of show: A Midlife Less Ordinary

Episode title and number:  All About Vaping: A Breath Of Fresh Air

Season 2: Episode 20

Brief summary of show:

Wayne & Trev talk to vape mixologist Martin Norton with a mission to discover what this craze is all about.



 
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Transcript
intro:

You're listening to a mid life less ordinary, the weekly podcast giving you the lowdown on becoming a cool older dude. The good times are not a faded memory, it's time to start living them again. And here are your hosts, Wayne and Trev.

Wayne:

Hello again and welcome to a mid life less ordinary. I'm Wayne and today's title is all about vaping which I think you can probably guess and the subtitle is a breath of fresh air question mark. And as always trips token up a large one. It's got Darth Vader here as well. I love you for the Star Wars impressions, man. That's cool. Trev

Unknown:

my opinion? Yes, please.

Martin:

Now you go for it.

Trev:

I think he's lying. Basically, the reason I think he's lying is the amount like the amount of kind of people you see just blowing smoke out. And these horrible, sweet, sticky smell bad in the span of cigarettes. Yeah. But he just got all these people to think he's calling a pillow in his smoke out tagging pitches in sales on social media looking like danger with a dragon. Let's just put out a fire. I think it's I think it's a market industry. You know, you've got all these gadgets they use. They're huge. I don't like saying hand side over there strap. It looks like a power reach that would fix the Millennium Falcon. I say it's like, I just don't get it.

Wayne:

What is it you this is where we've got Martin today who's an expert in vaping. To user base, he explains to us because I'm a layman where this is concerned me because I think we've said it before. I was I was a smoker for 25 years. And when I give up 10 years ago, roughly. The vaping wasn't really a thing. So I had to sort of do the, you know, go to the doctors get what you could patches, this that the other and try and do it that way. But I think

Trev:

it's an Iron Maiden that Yeah, exactly.

Wayne:

But I you know, I had to do it that way. But I think if this was around, I'm glad in a way it wasn't because I think I'll be addicted to vaping instead of smoking, you know, that might be a better thing than smoking. But I'm not sure if that if the science has actually proved that vaping isn't bad for you yet, because we haven't had the long term review. And I'll ask Martin about this.

Unknown:

But has it been around now? I don't know. It was

Wayne:

probably around 10 years ago, but I don't think it was a big thing like you say that shops have appeared and especially vaping places and like Trump said like all the gadgets and things have evolved into Star Trek types. And you're sorry, I mustn't get Star Wars and Star Trek in the same sentence. People get the honor.

Trev:

But it should say because I'm such a big fan. It just said it's

Wayne:

any opportunity to bring up the pet shop Boise's there. And it has been mentioned before, but yeah, I don't know much about vaping. As I say, Tripp summed it up. Well, when he said though, there's puffs of strawberry flavored smokey.

Trev:

I'm hoping Martin with his knowledge and he comes across can change my mind. Really?

Wayne:

Well. You know, when you're gonna start vaping

Trev:

Why would I know? The other thing I don't care, like I've come across people that didn't smoke, but just vaped because they thought it looked cold. They wanted to get on. They wanted to get on that fashion trip kind of thing.

Wayne:

Yeah, it was even lamer than the thing. They've been anyone Marlboro Man was quite cold as smoking but I don't see with a bit of metal sticking out your mouth. It seems that cold to be honest. Just doesn't What do you say

Trev:

boba man, I thought you were talking about a Mickey Rourke movie.

Wayne:

Well, yeah, it's funny. Now here we've done Johnson as well. Yes. Yeah. Sorry. I don't know. We're back on movies. You blame me in the last episode for a guide on 80s. tv? We'll go off on it. But yeah, right. But without further ado, let's find out about vaping Welcome to Martin. Welcome to show and here we go. So Martin, thank you for joining us today. We're looking forward to finding out all about vaping. I'd like to start off by just asking. Usually asked how did you start? But basically, wine Yeah, I'll try and break the mold. Basically my I mean, I'm an ex smoker. So this is not something I've ever been involved in. I didn't go over to vaping when I give up is is vaping akin to smoking in the sense of you start it and it's difficult to give up or how did you get involved with vaping in the first place? Well,

Martin:

I I started vaping is more like a gadget so I used to smoke about 20 mulgara tailor made cigarettes a day and someone I knew got a New vape tank is brand new on the market like a sub Ohm tank, and basically gives you just big clouds of vapor with nicotine. And so I thought I'd give it a bash. And I went from 20 a day in the first week to two a day and then none a day in the second week and never looked back when that was five and a half years ago. So you have

Wayne:

you don't smoke it at all anymore. Martin no vaping thing is satisfied, right?

Martin:

In Yeah, in five and a half years bearing in mind I was on 20 a day. I've done I've tried about 40 cigarettes and I was five and a half years and basically it's like a, it confirms I made the right choice because every time I try one, I get about centimeter in taste bad. It feels bad. And the wife don't like exhausting. And I'll face it, put it out and I go I think the last time my friends are smoking, I think it was 2019 and I thought I smells good. I'll treat myself and have a cigarette. I lit it up is disgusting. And I gave the other 19 to a homeless guy in the street because you know, like even I just spent like 12 pounds on the pack. It just didn't taste right. I think I missed the big sparking up you know, lighter sparking up and I first draw I do miss the feeling of that. But

Trev:

I think I think a lot of ex smokers do. I think Wayne and I do that. Because you've answered my question because I was just about to say did you smoke but we've spoke about it before about smoking on this podcast and widens a very reformed non smoker. Yeah, I think I I'd say kind of 90% I say I've completely allergy Cade, you're going to talk to me like a complete numpty cuz I I know nothing about vaping. But would you agree that not a lot of the percentage of people that do vape are ex smokers?

Martin:

Yeah, I mean, you're getting more people now trying vaping. I mean, I know, a couple from a lady bought a viper recently. And her husband tried it. And he has it now with no nicotine because he dislikes the taste.

Unknown:

Jamie didn't even know that. To be honest.

Martin:

Yeah. Because he was involved in it. Yeah, the majority of people I think that are vapors are smokers. I mean, personally, you know, I don't, I started smoking. And I was overseas working away. And I remember sitting thinking, you idiot, you know, you're now hooked to these things. And I think that's the crux of it. I don't see the point in vaping. If you don't smoke, but then what's the point in smoking? So people, people are gonna try it. But I think majority of people are ex smokers. But you know, that's best. You know, they weren't they weren't like kids. What do

Trev:

you say you you you work in overseas? Because you've got quite a big sort of career quite a quite a big job Avenue. You're a policeman? For more. Yeah.

Martin:

Yeah. I mean, I'll probably want to I didn't get permission to come on here. So it's probably a good idea. But yeah, I did. I did. I did work overseas. Yeah. It's all right. You said you mentioned it before, and you've got the wrong police force. I'm happy.

Wayne:

We'll have to do one of them disguised voices, Martin that they do on some of these

Trev:

kind of robots?

Unknown:

Yeah.

Trev:

We actually are pretty good at protecting people's kind of anonymity. Is that the word I'm looking for?

Wayne:

Yeah. Because they don't want anything to do with us after they've done that.

Trev:

There's so much there's not there's hardly any truth in anything. So I think he wants to get in trouble. They'd never be attracted down mind. So you wouldn't have a problem there. And any body with any kind of sense of Paul that could get you into trouble would listen to us anyway.

Martin:

Yeah. And I mean, I just gotta make sure I don't say anything controversial. It's all good, though. You know, at the end of the day, it's about spreading vaping. You know, I wouldn't advise people to don't smoke, too, right? Because he got there. The idea of vaping is that you get off the cigarettes. It's interesting, because last month, Public Health England released a new updated report into vaping. I haven't read it all, to be honest with you. But the general gist of it is that they support it as a healthier alternative to smoking. So that they're saying, you know, like, if you want to quit vaping, they would recommend vaping as a way of quitting. Obviously, there are other ways of doing it, but it's very effective. Because you get the mannerisms. You get the hat, you know, you get the cloud of smoke or vapors, you know, it's vapor, you get the nicotine hit, you know, so you don't lose out too much.

Wayne:

Is it? Is it Martin is with the vaping. I think one of the things that the research and everything is that we haven't come through the other side of the long term. Research it because obviously cigarettes in in black and white days, they will at least advertise them. The doctor used to recommend I'll have some cigarettes, they're good for you. And then obviously overtime, probably in our childhood, they've become sort of like something you really need to stop or not start in the first place for health reasons. And do you think that that what you know, so far that vaping won't follow that path, it won't be something that's got certain chemicals in it that causes patients to Yeah, get carcinogens and things like that.

Martin:

I think basically, the way I look at it is that when you when you start looking at the ingredients to start with, you know, like, there's 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, the main thing that kills in cigarettes is the tar, which gives you all your carcinogens in your body. And they brought in a lot of regulations within the vaping community, where you have to have certain ingredients and they can't be toxic and things are tested, you know, with the local the recent change in tobacco products directive, they've meant anything that contains nicotine has to be tested. And so if there's any harmful ingredients in there, then they don't pass the test. I think at the end of the day, you're breathing gone.

Trev:

No, sorry, the way you're talking, you obviously know a hell of a lot of what goes into vaping so do you make your own stuff mine? I think you do.

Martin:

I have my mind stuff. And I go sometimes it depends like what's available you know, because if there's any specials on our bison cheaper liquid, and stuff like that, I mean, you know, like there are lists of ingredients in liquids you can look up if you buy concentrate, you can look up the ingredients listed like flavor, I think so Italian company, and they list what goes into them. But going back to the health side of things, I think, you know, there may be something in the future which comes out about vaping it could well happen but at the moment, I feel better I breathe better. I smell better. And it's got me off I know I know that the cancer sticks will kill me eventually. Because they do you know the cigarettes is proven they will kill you eventually. On try to get off use Champix which is another its appeal which makes you feel sick. And it blocks your nicotine receptors, but the side effects of suicidal thoughts depression and all that sort of stuff. I was lucky I didn't have any of that. And all the other stuff. You know, you breathe in nicotine in these inhalers this gum, they're now doing tobacco pouches I've done if you've seen those Well, they were doing they used to be like it's like a you know piece of stick tobacco inside their gum against the gum and the lip. It's quite big I think in the Scandinavian countries and bases a pouch of ground tobacco and you stick it in inside your lip and I think the surf species fiberglass but it's a rough material. It's scratchy gums and you get your nicotine improve that and I've no

Trev:

it's not the old Wild West. We've got a spittoon by the old tobacco chewing tobacco teen I must admit,

Wayne:

yeah, you look like you could eczema that to be fair.

Unknown:

Yeah.

Martin:

I actually worked with some guys that used to do that. And that's it. They would have to spit in the water bottle every now and again. Slowly.

Trev:

Have you ever discussed you ever actually tried to tobacco Martin?

Martin:

No, no,

Trev:

I I thought I didn't realize I tried it when I was about 1210 I didn't realize then that it was actually special stuff to choose.

Wayne:

Are you stuck or be in a jam often? Yeah, yeah.

Trev:

I did. Yeah. There was when I was on calls. And there was a pouch of old Holborn, see it on the side. And I was showing off to my young cousin. And I was like, yeah, cuz I'm a cowboy. And I actually took a massive lump of it and chewed it. And I was so sick. It was because I didn't realize we'd like a bar that you break out. Yeah. Honestly, I was so so ill. It was like to admit to my parents,

Martin:

chemicals, all that stuff as well. Oh,

Wayne:

yeah. Talk talking to that, Marty. If say it saying that somebody is listening to us now. And they smoke, and they've maybe thought about vaping? Where would you suggest that they start with it? Well, the equipment do they need and where would they start with the nicotine content and flavors and things like that?

Martin:

nrtiartinWell, the thing is, I think that vaping is very subjective because it's what works, everyone's different. So I went on to the big was called director lung subdomain, which is, it's all to do with the resistance of the coil where basically you get big clouds of smoke or vapor. And then you've got a mouth to lung which is small amounts of vapor. It's more akin to like a cigarette sort of thing. So You know, and most people start with the mouth to lung sort of experience. And you can get anything from zero nicotine to 20 nicotine in this country, which is the strength milligrams per milliliter, I think is one micrograms per milliliter. And basically, you the best thing to do is go down a vape shop ever chat with the guy, if he's offering you something which is at 90 pounds to start with, and he's no good. If he's offering you something around the 30 to 40 pound mark, then it you know, like, because basically that some people are trying to sell you the biggest baddest device going. And that's not always the best way to start. It's best to start off cheap and light like the mouth to lung sort of style. and work your way up from there and find out where your happy spot is.

Trev:

Now I'm glad you mentioned vaping shops mine because we've got a few where near where I live. And to be honest, they don't look the most savory places is that just in my area always. Like Dasa is a classy vape shop mine. So I'm saying

Martin:

there are costs. I think anyone where you walk in and you can sit down and have a chat with someone and they don't like some of the ones there's one near you. I remember going in on searchers road and they were just rude and offish. And they Yeah.

Unknown:

But you know.

Martin:

So I do have a friend who owns a vape shop Diablo Fight Club.

Unknown:

is a good name for it. Yeah,

Martin:

he's and also he said it. Yeah. But he said he has a 10% discount if they go in there. Yeah, we'll,

Wayne:

we'll take the links off your mind. We put it on the website and everything. Yeah, yeah, yes. Good. Yeah. Thank you.

Martin:

Yeah, Diablo is whitecloud. It's on Instagram, Facebook, and these web pages in development, but he only opened up last year during the pandemic. So obviously, it's been slow going. But basically don't ever chat with him. And he give you advice. Like he asked you how much you smoke and in your workout, how strong you need it and you can start off at a level and you can always reduce it. The idea is that you don't leave yourself wanting so you go back to a cigarette. And you know, like the way I look at it is if you're smoking and you're smoking TaylorMade then you're spending about 10 pounds a pack. So for me that's the average.

Trev:

Wikipedia's kind of think of like you're still living in 1985 Yeah,

Wayne:

I still think it's one pound 50 Oh,

Martin:

yes. 11 pound 50 for patcham over gold think. Wow.

Unknown:

Dear, do you know when they were when I smoked?

Martin:

Yeah, but it's ridiculous. You know, and if you smoke 20 a day. If you stop smoking before four days you pay for your vape gear. If you don't like it, you can buy something new

Trev:

is a really good way of summing it up

Wayne:

talking to tailor made Martin I've got something that's tailor made for you. We've got the segment of the week which is used to be called test Trevor now we we call it test the guest so it is a little intro segment if you don't mind we'll just have a little quiz review and drive.

Unknown:

Test test test test absolutely loves doing them little links say that's the favorite bit of the party

Wayne:

I don't even know I do it you put called me up on it. Yeah, but I have told you about it. I

Unknown:

like it.

Wayne:

It's a throwback to the four

Unknown:

C's trigger word this week what's your trigger

Wayne:

word tailor made was well spotted. Sadly this is I couldn't really find questions that suited the the fate so basically these are just abbreviations Martin I'm going to we've only got a few to do and I'll give one to you want to trade and it's just a bit of fun so don't obviously wouldn't expect you to know all these because some of these probably made them and just put them on the internet. So to you Martin question one and it's multiple choice. What does our Romeo you know this romagnolo not supposed to talk about it. What does Romeo Bravo alpha stands for RBI?

Martin:

rebuildable atomizer

Wayne:

is correct sir. Yes, well done. And now for now we will get to hear the sad trombone hopefully in the next

Unknown:

was more in speaking English then. I didn't get it.

Wayne:

I like waiting for it before the answers come in. As a proper explanation There's more of these to come yet Trev

Trev:

Don't worry about it. I know my ABCs by all what it says to me is one for you now and that

Wayne:

stroke on it Alright, so take it easy What does Victor golf VG stand for?

Trev:

VGA?

Wayne:

Is it very good? Is it versatile generator or is it vegetable glycerol

Martin:

oh well that's an easy one trif

Wayne:

very good Come on your

Unknown:

vapor

Wayne:

What do you think is the glycerol

Unknown:

yeah

Wayne:

we'd like to get your trip to get it wrong he was gonna say it to be fair well done true and Martin Martin question free What does Victor whiskey stands for variable wattage well done there's no mystery you've got similar one trivia question for what does Victor Victor stand for?

Trev:

Victor Victor,

Wayne:

v v.

Trev:

Be options please.

Wayne:

A variable value variable valve or variable voltage?

Trev:

variable voltage is an AC DC album or Reagan? Right okay, but

Wayne:

that's not the question Is it your answer though? Oh variable Val. No,

Trev:

no. No one

Wayne:

trip does the smelting

Unknown:

electronic cigarette

Wayne:

Martinez to hell he knows you need this last one number five to Martin What does Papa golf stand for? That was a top class test the guest Martin properly English.

Trev:

shocker to be

Wayne:

nice we got five correct

Unknown:

mind

Wayne:

being a master least we know we do is good. He's got five but people have learned something.

Unknown:

Right as well. For me.

Martin:

Interestingly enough wine eg is what gives you the throat hit to hit too hard so it feels so it gives you the clouds

Wayne:

so all these different parts of vaping is just to give you the effect of smoking like the smoke there is not the actual you know actually sort of blow exhaling smoke your it's just an effect of it kind of thing

Martin:

is the reaction I guess. So like I've ate with a small amount of PG because I do big clouds so it really punched in the throat. Where people that do the smaller clouds the mouth to lungs they would have a 5050 mix of VG and PG Yes. And it's that and and it's you know it's got different viscosity. So you you build a device differently or you have different coils. It there is a science behind it and it's very geeky.

Trev:

Yeah, cool. Very quickly Martin if you if you can only have one follow UVA for the rest of your life. What would it be? And don't say my nutsack

Wayne:

because he's tried that it wasn't good He made us better this is really this This podcast is turned into a different

Martin:

Cause everything goes even at the moment I'm vaping a like a tobacco which is is like a caramel sort of like butterscotch or flavor and I'd probably vape tobacco ish flavor because it's good with beers and coffee. So we go for that tobacco if you know it's not too bad anyone that buys tonight

Unknown:

just about tobacco What did

Martin:

you notice smell when you when you will pass on a cigarette you get that sweets or caramel flavor? Yes. And that's that's that's what you get. But you don't

Trev:

smell like that

Wayne:

trip. This is meant to be a high class podcast. What are you talking about?

Unknown:

Why did you make something up here? But they taste like

Wayne:

a whole new audience now on the dark web. That's brilliant. I think you summed it up nicely. Martin giving people two flavors. We'll get some links off you for using on the website. People get a discount.

Trev:

Thank you pal about the shop as well. That's really good. Yeah, nice. I

Martin:

mean, that's brilliant. The websites in production is nearly finished, but you can message them on Instagram and Facebook and E shops in westcliffe on the London Road for those sex just

Trev:

give us a name one more time mine so people know

Martin:

the abalos vape club and the guys called john and he's a decent fellow. You just got to change Did he give you the advice you need?

Wayne:

That's pretty much good. Thanks for joining us today Marty has

Trev:

been really informative. You To be honest, you knew everything. Your brain must be the size of a house may is incredible.

Martin:

There's loads of stuff.

Unknown:

voice as brilliant as mine, James Martin. Why?

Wayne:

Well, after listening to Martin Trove, have you changed your mind? About vaping? Yeah, have

Trev:

I never read? No. I never really took the ticket eaten that people would play smoking with it. Yeah. And that's a good thing. As long as the science proves it's not bad for you. That's great, isn't it?

Wayne:

Oh, definitely. Oh, yeah. For the benefit benefits far outweigh the negatives? Yeah,

Trev:

yeah. Yeah, don't be wrong. I've changed my opinion on it. If it does good, then why would you not be good?

Wayne:

If it's a replacement for for actually smoking cigarettes, then great. It's gonna take a while. I think I said in the podcast, the long term I you know, the long term research in there, but Martin kind of come back with that and said, Look, I can tell myself from smoking before and then going on to this. I can breathe better. I don't smell so bad. I mean, you know, when we used to smoke it used to come back from from going out at night and smelling like a bloomin ashtray, didn't you?

Trev:

Yeah, you did. The other thing I didn't realize I didn't realize there was so much to it. There was so much science to it.

Wayne:

Yeah, properly in glycerol with this that

Trev:

I didn't know that chemical made it sound like you had to live a physics degree or chemistry degree to do

Wayne:

I think test the case kind of made that feel that way. But that was the question. But yeah, they will do abbreviations for it, in which you might have done a very good, very good result in that, by the way, and he also helped you. And I just didn't get to do I just want you to give you one of these.

Trev:

If he ever did not give you the lightning seeds guest of the month. Yes. He probably wind it

Wayne:

down. I don't want to alienate all the other guests. Just on that trip. That was Treasury's done that everyone is everyone who's come on as a as a as a results of the quiz. Yeah. can't knock it.

Trev:

He was actually answering your questions before you actually do

Wayne:

that. Which is quite impressive. To be fair. Yeah. Which is

Trev:

what we like to do stuff. Yeah, he's totally round. I'm not saying no, no one can you for Christmas? vaping. Okay. Because I just couldn't be bothered to carry all that stuff around with me. But we just

Wayne:

don't want to swap one addiction. I mean, didn't know that you smoke anymore anyway, obviously. But you don't want to swap one thing for another necessarily do you don't want to carry stuff,

Unknown:

the lesser of less have to eat that lesson.

Wayne:

If you smoke, it's a no brainer. Give it a give it a go and see how you get on. Because if it I mean, it can't turn out to be much worse than smoking. Let's be honest. It's terrible.

Trev:

What did impress me as well, was the sort of economic value of it. And Marty mentioned that, yeah, but how

Unknown:

did you know cigarettes are 12 pound a packet now? Because I thought when I go back to

Wayne:

I was smoking, I wouldn't be giving you a one now for your social smokers out on the balcony anymore. Be like no, this is costing like 85

Unknown:

Yeah. So when you think about it, they're not

Wayne:

not over Quidditch. Now, there's no point is there you that was enough to give maybe give up? Yeah, definitely.

Trev:

Yeah, yeah, he's but now anyway. Yeah, that's that. And that's actually done what this podcast should do? Yes, actually educate me to turn my opinion round. Yeah, it really is. I didn't think

Wayne:

you know, once there was darkness. Now there is light, as they say.

Trev:

Once there was no smoke, and now there is smoke.

Wayne:

There's no smoke and mirrors on you. So that sums it up. So let us put some links on the website for you to the ones that were Martin said you can get a discount. We'll put all the links on there for you. As always, thanks for listening. Thanks to Trev for being here. As always,

Trev:

basically, if you want to leave a message, so your favorite flavor is, as always, the

Wayne:

website is www.am ello podcast.com. And, as always, give us some grief everyone else does. So thanks for joining us, as always, and we'll see you on the next one. Yep.

Unknown:

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